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Locked-out New Zealanders outraged as visa scheme for rich foreigners resumes

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Post by vmception »

starklevnertz wrote: post #85
vmception wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Typically standard KYC/AML. Standard meaning that if it made it into a licensed institution that also does KYC/AML then its good enough for us! Basically the concept is that its up to the customer to get money magically graced and cleared by their host government, and if there is not currently a problem its not anyone’s problem. Think about it: what is legal? China says that people with their currency cant move more…

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Not necessarily but sure read whatever you want from that, the point of my post was actually that all AML/KYC is a waste of public sector and private sector resources.

I’m not a New Zealander and I don't care about the local politics. Its still entertaining to me that any random government could say someone’s money is clean and its magically clean from that point on.

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Post by vanusa »

pixel_fcker wrote: post #97
vanusa wrote: post #92

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As a New Zealander, I am super supportive of easier pathways for wealthy people to bring themselves, their expertise, their connections, and their money here. Do you support denying re-entry to people who are already citizens as a means of doing that?

This isn’t what’s happening. Everyone trying to enter the country has to go through the MIQ system, regardless of whether they’re a citizen, have one of these visas, or any other type of visa.

This isn’t what’s happening.

I don't know how you can say that. It's the inevitable result of a system with finite capacity (once capacity is reached).

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Post by pixel_fcker »

silexia wrote: post #35

The solution is simple... Shut down the unnecessary MIQ system. Everyone has had the opportunity to get vaccinated and risks for those is now back to as low as it was prior to the pandemic.

What about people who can’t take the vaccine for medical reasons, or are too young? Fuck ‘em right?

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Post by pixel_fcker »

newnamenewface wrote: post #27
GekkePrutser wrote: post #8

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It's not always vacation. Many people have close family abroad that they want you see. Sometimes with medical issues so they may not get another chance. I wouldn't travel if vacation was the only reason. Especially if I were living in NZ which is one of the most beautiful places on earth IMO It's also kinda unfair to expect people to have seen Omikron coming :) with the distance to Europe most people from here in NZ…

> It's also kinda unfair to expect people to have seen Omikron coming Perhaps, it's unfair that the government is obligating severe COVID restrictions on travel for citizens (and non-citizens, alike) in a country with 80+% vaccination rates for a disease that's essentially endemic at this point. NZ seems to be just pushing the problem down the line at this point. There will never be a time where they can just open wi…

A few weeks ago everyone was expecting them to replace MIQ with home self-isolation in Feb-April thanks to the vaccine uptake. Now Omicron has thrown that all up in the air.

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Post by jeeeb »

refurb wrote: post #62
lancewiggs wrote: post #44

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If we abolished MIQ then Aotearoa NZ would be riddled with COVID, many thousands or tens of thousands would have died, many many more living with chronic conditions and the economy and society crippled. As it happens less than 50 have died, each one a tragedy, while I’ve just had a lovely Christmas with 3 generations, as many others are around the motu. Sure we had to video call relatives in other countries, but thei…

Who said abolish it? How about actually designing a system with enough slots so citizens can freely return? Other countries have done this, and controlled Covid, so why can Australia or NZ do it?

Australia eliminated travel restrictions for citizens and hotel quarantine for incoming travellers a while ago. At worst you’ll do 3 days home quarantine.

That’s not sensational though so it’s not reported on.

Also COVID case numbers have exploded since then so I can kind of understand NZ being hesitant to do the same.

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Post by syntheticcorp »

m4x wrote: post #81
Aerroon wrote: post #63

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> Incredible seeing democracies like Australia and NZ tell their own citizens “no, you cant come home”. To be fair, it's not their first dance with authoritarian measures. Both countries also employ widespread censorship for movies and video games among other things. Perhaps it shouldn't be that unexpected that they would cross the line on this too.

If there's widespread censorship then I assume you can give some supporting examples? The only notable "movie" that I'm aware of being censored in NZ was the live stream of the Christchurch mosque shooting that killed 51 people.

Postal 2 and manhunt are two fairly popular video games that were legally censored. Banned modern movies I am less familiar with, but there were many banned historically where the decision still stands today.

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Post by anothernewdude »

laingc wrote: post #40

As a New Zealander, I am super supportive of easier pathways for wealthy people to bring themselves, their expertise, their connections, and their money here. Furthermore, my anecdotal observation is that articles in The Guardian about New Zealand reflect not reality, but rather the talking points of a very small subset of the hard Left of our political class. I know that this is The Guardian’s line in general, but i…

Yeah, more skilled corruption is what we need.

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Post by xdennis »

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #12

In almost all countries you can buy citizenship if you're rich. You don't even need to know the language. Immigration and all these gimmicks are for peasants only.

Are you certain about that? Few countries actually whore themselves out.

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Post by will4274 »

laingc wrote: post #40

As a New Zealander, I am super supportive of easier pathways for wealthy people to bring themselves, their expertise, their connections, and their money here. Furthermore, my anecdotal observation is that articles in The Guardian about New Zealand reflect not reality, but rather the talking points of a very small subset of the hard Left of our political class. I know that this is The Guardian’s line in general, but i…

Fwiw, you're basically describing the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect without naming it. You're an expert on NZ, so it feels egregious, but you're not an expert on the next pages' topic, so the misleading information doesn't stick out or bother you as much.
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