I mean I get it but it’s not good for the internet for people to equate all email with gmail.
Running your own email is increasingly an artisanal choice, not a practical one
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Re: Running your own email is increasingly an artisanal choice, not a practical one
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Internet was meant to be decentralized. Lets leave it this way. I am running my server for 15 years and couldn't be more happy with "artisan" infrastructure. I don't want or use webmail (sluggish), I don't want others fingerpoking my emails, I don't want various compulsory registration systems (like requiring my phone number out of """security""" reasons like google), giving others the ability to kill my account and…
> And you would be surprised, how many sites sell email addresses to others, and I know it as every one gets its own email address. So much this. I've actually contacted companies to tell them they've been compromised because I started getting phishing emails. I quit after the third time of reporting it and being told "we haven't been hacked, someone in your friends group has and you just can't read email headers"..…
I don't know how to monetize said system but it would produce both social and economic value.
Re: Running your own email is increasingly an artisanal choice, not a practical one
#403If I have business outcomes that are dependent on people receiving my emails, it's difficult for me to be in a situation where the other person may need to, at some point, be told that they aren't getting my emails because I'm on some kind of "hipster email system" which they are no doubt going to perceive it to be. They're probably going to wonder why they are wasting their time with me when I can't even get somethi…
It's their system that is misclassifying their email, not you being on a "hipster" email system, whatever that means. At no point is it your system's fault so don't even begin to start phrasing it as such.
Re: Running your own email is increasingly an artisanal choice, not a practical one
#404Earlier quoted context omitted.
> And you would be surprised, how many sites sell email addresses to others, and I know it as every one gets its own email address. So much this. I've actually contacted companies to tell them they've been compromised because I started getting phishing emails. I quit after the third time of reporting it and being told "we haven't been hacked, someone in your friends group has and you just can't read email headers"..…
It's funny to hear this experience. I've been doing this consistently for about 5 years now and have noticed 2 instances where this occurred, and in both there were prior disclosures about a security failure. I tend to sign up for a lot of things (I'm seeing over 150 unique email addresses I receive emails from using this scheme), but I guess I'm just getting lucky. Also, just out of curiosity, where does one sell em…
Re: Running your own email is increasingly an artisanal choice, not a practical one
#405Re: Running your own email is increasingly an artisanal choice, not a practical one
#406The comments all seem to be from people who think making an artisanal choice is a bad thing. There should be more art, experimentation, and expression in computing. If we've outgrown running our own mail servers as a practical choice, because there are now more good options, and we can enjoy running a mail server as a more humanly choice, that's a good thing. Not much has actually changed about the complexity of runn…
Re: Running your own email is increasingly an artisanal choice, not a practical one
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Why net neutrality would have been nice, exhibit 78
Net neutrality wouldn’t fix this is if the issue is a peering problem (which is very common today). The internet has become so centralized that ISPs cheap out on transit and just direct peer to all of the big content providers.
Re: Running your own email is increasingly an artisanal choice, not a practical one
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I don’t mean that’s the only way to trip up, there are a lot of unspoken self hosing email rules. Don’t use public data centers, don’t send news letters etc.
My email server is only used as a personal server for a few select friends and family. They absolutely do not send and have never sent anything that could remotely be considered spam. Everything in our setup is picture perfect (SPF, DKIM, DMARC, PTR records, etc). We still can't get email onto Microsoft's servers without it being marked as spam.
Re: Running your own email is increasingly an artisanal choice, not a practical one
#409Re: Running your own email is increasingly an artisanal choice, not a practical one
#410I would really say that "running your own email" is a set of things that can be done independently: - Getting your own domain and using a provider such as fastmail or proton is a first step that gives you lots of security fom arbitrary. Because you own the doorstep, you can change provider without having to inform all your contacts of the move. You're also more secure from unilateral moves from your provider. -Hostin…
Internet was meant to be decentralized. Lets leave it this way. I am running my server for 15 years and couldn't be more happy with "artisan" infrastructure. I don't want or use webmail (sluggish), I don't want others fingerpoking my emails, I don't want various compulsory registration systems (like requiring my phone number out of """security""" reasons like google), giving others the ability to kill my account and…
This might sound like gatekeeping, and maybe it is. When these systems were designed, they were not designed to be used by everyone. They were not designed to be commodities that are bought and sold, with the most valuable trinket available being the attention of the user. But this is where we are.
Few are capable of running their own _anything_ on the internet, and even fewer have the desire to do it, because if you run it well for yourself (as an individual), someone else will want you to do it for them because you are already doing it, so it's not that much more work, right? \s
Decentralization limits monetization of anything, so that is going to be a non-starter for investment of resources. Unless you are trying to have your infrastructure survive a nuclear war, no one is going to provide the means to build anything big unless you can sell it or the users of it.
The notion that anything really works on the internet with the assumptions that were made in the 70s and 80s, and the realization that what holds most of it together is the blood and sweat of ops, duck tape, and fever dreams consistently astonishes me. In the not so distant past, someone paid me to write them a custom FTP server. In the 21st century. It's like being asked to whittle an engine block out of a tree.