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Is It Even Worth Working on FOSS Anymore?

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Re: Is It Even Worth Working on FOSS Anymore?

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> It makes sense why there is scarcity; after all, this is work done by volunteers in their “free” time.

This is the big fallacity here, although I'm not sure why "free" is in (scare) quotes. FOSS isn't necessarily volunteer free-time development; afaik for example vast majority of Linux development is done by salaried engineers as their day-job. That is the way things should be done imho.

Re: Is It Even Worth Working on FOSS Anymore?

#132

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I'm working on precisely this problem. My current idea involves payment plans defined in code. See: github.com/openfare/openfare

Good luck! At least promise, if but a dull glimmer of hope...

Thanks for the luck!

The up-and-coming generation of developers have grown up exposed to millionaire content creators. They might start wondering about their cut.

Re: Is It Even Worth Working on FOSS Anymore?

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I know many people, including myself, who do a lot of volunteer work without being Marxists. The motivation is not money, but to provide a benefit to society or to the people in the immediate vicinity, i.e. to be helpful and to be appreciated.

Thank you for your generosity!

It's not so much generosity, but a social matter of course that people help each other. It's nice to be appreciated. But one usually also benefits from the help of others and shows them appreciation. It actually only becomes generous when you give far more than you receive. As an open source developer, I receive at least as much as I give.

Re: Is It Even Worth Working on FOSS Anymore?

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I'd like to include my reasons: - It's a lot of fun - It's addictive Honestly I was a bit struck when a friend looked at my github and said it was a nice portfolio. The material view never hit me at all: my github is a product purely of what I've wasted/spent time on for fun, not to make a profile. :)

I'm not a fan of the trend I've seen where GitHub is treated as a portfolio- I once had a hiring manager I worked with tell me I should delete a few of my GitHub projects, as they made me appear "amateurish." I WAS an amateur! And I don't want to feel like I need to to hide random things I've tinkered with just to impress others. As a result, I know those who have multiple GitHub accts, one for fun personal stuff and…

Or, you could do every bit of work as if it were for a vital infrastructure project.

That’s what I do. Even my “farting around” projects have a lot of polish. I write everything I do as if it will ship.

I find it establishes great work habits and personal integrity, and my GH ids (I have a personal one, and a couple of org ones) make outstanding portfolios[0].

Not to worry, though. My experience, is that potential employers never look at at GH portfolios. Instead, they rely on leetcode tests to evaluate applicants.

[0] https://github.com/ChrisMarshallNY

Re: Is It Even Worth Working on FOSS Anymore?

#135

"Since companies steal Open Source software without a care in the world" If you don't want companies to use your code for free, don't publish it for free. If they violate the licence, presumably it is a case for the courts. People have different reasons for working on open source. Some want to make money from it, others don't. As an example, I don't know the full ElasticSearch story, but if Amazon's fork was legally…

> If you don't want companies to use your code for free, don't publish it for free. If they violate the licence, presumably it is a case for the courts. Good look to the OBS team in pursuing legal actions against ByteDance/CCP.

So don't contribute to open source because of China/rogue countries? OK then.

Re: Is It Even Worth Working on FOSS Anymore?

#136

"Since companies steal Open Source software without a care in the world" If you don't want companies to use your code for free, don't publish it for free. If they violate the licence, presumably it is a case for the courts. People have different reasons for working on open source. Some want to make money from it, others don't. As an example, I don't know the full ElasticSearch story, but if Amazon's fork was legally…

>If you don't want companies to use your code for free, don't publish it for free. If they violate the licence, presumably it is a case for the courts. this is assuming you have the resources to : a) know the theft happened b) follow up in court.

What is the expectation here? Criminals exist in the world.

Re: Is It Even Worth Working on FOSS Anymore?

#137
> The logging companies learned the lesson, and it’s time the software industry learned it.

Nitpicking from the main point, but logging companies are still destroying our planet/forests. They haven't learnt a single lesson. The most valuable woods come from very unsustainable exploitations far away (from my perspective, eg. Philippines/Canada), and as for the so-called "sustainable" local exploitations here in France they earn the label by destroying entire ecosystems and replanting between 3-6 species over the entire area after they've chopped everything down.

It's still ecocide on a wide scale.

Re: Is It Even Worth Working on FOSS Anymore?

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The reasons you write open-source code: - training purposes to better yourself - as a showcase or to build up your reputation to get hired - because you have a niche need in your personal life that no one else already solved None of those reasons are invalidated by big corporations using open-source without paying back.

That does not work. After several years of hard work a prior open source project that grew to immense popularity got me employment a few times. It wasn’t the actual project, code, or capabilities that meant anything. The only thing appealing about that project was it’s popularity. Nobody ever looked at the code, except people interested in submitting pull requests. If you think a prospective employer will take the ti…

A part of my job is to review CVs and select candidates to interview for my team. The first thing I do is check to see if they have a github account, and if they do I check their projects. Anything that looks relevant gets a quick inspection. It makes difference to whether they get an interview, and it makes for some topics of discussion during the interview. It confirms for me that the candidate is in fact actually interested in the field, and shows be the porential quality of their work.

If you think nobody ever looks at your public code, you're wrong. It's just like wearing a bathing suit at the beach or pool: people look.

Re: Is It Even Worth Working on FOSS Anymore?

#140

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> As an open source coder, I theoretically love the above The above is not open source, it's a pretty common free (gratis) for limited use, paid for other use commercial/proprietary license of the type tons of non-open-source software uses. (E.g., Visual Studio.)

It is most certainly Open Source, in that the source is open. In the case where a support contract is available, but not required, it is no less free than any other free software, but there is at least a chance that it might be bankrolled, as well as the projection that this is a professional project. Even where the support is required, it is my understanding of RHS that that won't impede on the title free, since the…

But the GP wrote: “For many, such a license should be required for use in any org which is over X employees” emphasis mine. If this requirement comes from a clause in the license then it violates the open source definition https://opensource.org/osd because it imposes a restriction on the use of the software.
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