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Re: Most advice is pretty bad

#51
I agree that advice that "isn’t practical" is bad advice, as the article states.

I do NOT agree that advice that "isn’t insightful" or "is obvious" is bad advice.

The author complains that "Work hard" is bad advice, and I don't agree. Some people I meet are not willing to work hard. You may think it's obvious, but that doesn't mean it really is obvious. Even if it's obvious, people often need reminding of obvious things, because "obvious" things are easy to forget.

Vince Lombardi was famous at starting training from the beginning. He would start his training courses by telling highly-trained athletes, “this is a football.” https://jamesclear.com/vince-lombardi-fundamentals Excellent athletes continually train and excercise the fundamentals, because they are fundamental. "Obvious" things do require reminders. They require reminders because they're boring, & we often want to shift to the novel thing instead of focusing on the important thing.

Even worse, if it's novel, then it's often wrong. Sometimes the new can be really helpful - but seeking novelty for its own sake misses the point. You want good advice, not novel advice, and the two are not the same thing.

Re: Most advice is pretty bad

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post #25

I wonder if what people get out of the general advice literature is more like a reminder or motivation, rather than actual insight.

My wife once called it "affinity porn," in that a lot of demand is the feeling of proximity to something great gives you some kind of essence of that greatness, like it will rub off in some way. Why do people like getting signatures of sports figures (ignoring second order financial motives to serve to the those with genuine interest)? Or to shake the hand of a political or religious leader? So much of the advice literature seems like it falls into that category, especially those that are memoirs in advice-book form.

Re: Most advice is pretty bad

#53

Better title: Most (tactical business/career) advice is (rarely helpful in the general case, often unwise as long-term life strategies and full of survivorship bias). Yep. Such books are written to get the author into the business equivalent of Oprah’s Book Club. They have the half-life of your average K-pop group. The beef jerky and Mountain Dew at the feast of life insights. If you are starving and nothing else is…

A better title would be something like: "Most advice sucks: how to determine when it doesn't"

The important point I got out of the article, wasn't that most advice is bad, which seems clearly true, but a theory as to why:

1) Not novel - it just repeats what everyone already know, but maybe with a new anecdote! 2) Not actionable - the advice to vague to be practicable, good advice needs to be more specific which probably mean not applicable to everyone, which means not oprah scale. 3) Not based on evidence - why does this advice work, as opposed to being survivorship bias or junk extrapolation of real research.

Re: Most advice is pretty bad

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post #16

Our obsession with non-obvious advice stems from our base addiction to novelty. For good reason, pathways in our brain become myelinated and more efficient the more often we use them, to the point where we can process well-worn thoughts almost subconsciously. Thus, toys we've played with too long become boring. Advice we've heard too many times before seems blah. We're hardwired to notice more when we encounter thing…

> grokking the fundamental advice

This is much harder than it sounds! The roots of true fundamental understanding go very deep.

Re: Most advice is pretty bad

#55
I agree with the title and disagree with the article.

I was hoping the article was going to talk about how much advice comes from survivorship bias and people's general inability to see the difference between cause and correlation of what they are recommending and true effect. On this subject, I could rant.

As others have pointed, "non-obvious advice" doesn't inherently have any reason it's better. The vast majority of people I know who struggle with problems aren't struggling because they haven't been told helpful advice, it's because of some combination of lack of conviction of the advice, lack of discipline, and in some cases (as the author points out) is hard to discover how to take the advice . (While advice that lays out clear actionability is good advice, I don't think that advice that is more general is bad advice.)

Take diet. I think you'd be hard pressed to find people who said salads were unhealthy. I believe most know that they would lead to less heart problems in the US, they are cheaper, and would help lose weight.

The more I have gone into philosophy and that path of many successful people, most of them have taken to simplifying everything they do. It's said that only masters can truly simplify. It's the amateur who overly complicates. But I digress; I firmly believe that obvious advice is often the most useful. Personally and professionally, most of the problems with advice that arise is that it wasn't followed, not that it needed to be non-obvious.

Re: Most advice is pretty bad

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post #50

I disagree. In my career I started getting close to the people that had already done what I wanted and just asked them for advice. The advice they gave me was incredible and the most useful thing you could do. The most important thing is that it must be an active process. You must do the work to decode and extract the information. Different personalities will give you different advices. If someone has a very strong v…

Yes. It's important to analyze why the person giving the advice is suggesting a particular course of action.

If it's face to face, after I ask for advice, I always follow up with "Why?"

Re: Most advice is pretty bad

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post #49
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Don't forget that if they really knew what to do to start a successful company they wouldn't be investors but founders” I can’t stand this philosophy, e.g. “those who can’t do teach” kind of stuff. Perhaps VCs prefer their job to being a founder? Not everyone who is _capable_ of being a founder _wants to_ be a founder. It’s exhausting work that takes all of your time.

And plenty of VCs are former founders.

And they, of course, know it's a numbers game. Why suffer all the failure and risk never having another hit when you can let others do it for you?

Re: Most advice is pretty bad

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post #16

Our obsession with non-obvious advice stems from our base addiction to novelty. For good reason, pathways in our brain become myelinated and more efficient the more often we use them, to the point where we can process well-worn thoughts almost subconsciously. Thus, toys we've played with too long become boring. Advice we've heard too many times before seems blah. We're hardwired to notice more when we encounter thing…

Good point. How to classify:

'Don't risk catching Omicron and passing on to others who may die by going to see the latest, widely panned, episode of The Matrix starring Doogie Howser as a psychotherapist, a middle aged woman as an action hero all set against a stalker's perspective on romance. Same goes for Yaamava which opportunistically released a commercial with a Morphius-like narrator over slow motion scenes.'

Is this obvious, non-obvious, common (or novel) advice?

Re: Most advice is pretty bad

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post #35
post #12

VC give pretty bad advice in general. Their advice is the the description of founders they want to invest in. Most of the founders they give money to, more or less follow the advice they give (not directly, but because they have been selected like that). But as all vc most of their companies fails, showing that the advice in fact doesn't work. Don't forget that if they really knew what to do to start a successful com…

“Don't forget that if they really knew what to do to start a successful company they wouldn't be investors but founders” I can’t stand this philosophy, e.g. “those who can’t do teach” kind of stuff. Perhaps VCs prefer their job to being a founder? Not everyone who is _capable_ of being a founder _wants to_ be a founder. It’s exhausting work that takes all of your time.

My point is that only a handful of people have been able to create several successful companies. Because we don't know how to create such company, so most advice in that case are wrong

Re: Most advice is pretty bad

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post #16

Our obsession with non-obvious advice stems from our base addiction to novelty. For good reason, pathways in our brain become myelinated and more efficient the more often we use them, to the point where we can process well-worn thoughts almost subconsciously. Thus, toys we've played with too long become boring. Advice we've heard too many times before seems blah. We're hardwired to notice more when we encounter thing…

Not everyone is “addicted” to novelty. I’ve travelled a bit and there are places where people repeat and repeat old advice about lots of general things and don’t go for novelty… but that may be because they’re not plugged in to a bias of novelty = modern = more savvy = better = more admiration.
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