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Re: NFT Replicas: An app to mint a replica of virtually any NFT

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Post by miracle2k »

blueski wrote: post #124
miracle2k wrote: post #110

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No, you don't have more rights than anyone else, and nothing prevents the artist from minting more NFTs of the same artwork. But this is no different than buying say a print of a fine art photograph (that print would be physical, yet only artificially limited and easily mass-produced; you may or may not care about this quality).

Feels a little different, in that I'd then have a fine art print to put on my wall and enjoy. In this case I have a string of characters on a hard drive. If I didn't care only about price appreciation, why would I pick the latter?

Digital things will never be able to reproduce the physical qualities of objects. Yet digital art exists and can be appreciated. And if you appreciate it enough, buy the NFT the artist has for sale.

Re: NFT Replicas: An app to mint a replica of virtually any NFT

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Post by max48 »

seibelj wrote: post #239
max48 wrote: post #223

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that's a very bad comparaison for 2 reasons: 1) Regardless of if the physical painting is the original or a copy made a talented painter, you can still enjoy how it looks on the wall. The painting doesn't magically disintegrate if you find out the certificate was forged. You also have no option but to buy it (or a replica) if you want to place it own your wall. With an NFT, the art itself is available to anyone, rega…

> With an NFT, the art itself is available to anyone, regardless of if you own the NFT. You never needed to buy an NFT to enjoy the art. The only thing of value in an NFT is the NFT itself, not the art that it represent. If the NFT is not authentic, it's a much bigger deal because now it loses all of its value, not just a portion of it. I can easily print out a high-quality Mona Lisa and put it on my wall, and I can…

>I can easily print out a high-quality Mona Lisa and put it on my wall, and I can enjoy it, but I wouldn't pretend I own it.

Even a half blind person would tell you the print doesn't look anything like the painting. If you want something that looks close to the really thing, it's difficult to make. There is modern art that would be cheap/easy to replicate (eg. a blank canvas made by artist trying to create a debate about what is art or not) but anything that you are likely to want on your wall will easily cost you >500$ to replicate properly in its original size (they are larger than they look).

>It is mathematically impossible to copy the NFT. It isn't the same smart contract, it isn't the same NFT. It is theoretically possible to arrange atoms in the precise location of a physical object, however.

I wrote it poorly, I was referring to the art behind the NFT that you can replicate easily. If I see a very cool picture and want to use it as my wallpaper on my laptop, I don't need to recreate the exact same smart contract with the same wallet key or pay for the NFT, I can just copy the picture in a few clicks. The picture will look the same with or without the NFT

Re: NFT Replicas: An app to mint a replica of virtually any NFT

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

miracle2k wrote: post #237
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #173

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I can do that without "buying" a star. It is actually possible to just give money to people, NFTs didn't invent it.

Convince more people to just hand out money to artists then!

Look, if people are just saying NFTs are a human psychology hack to get people to donate more money to artists, then that's fine, but call a spade a spade. Don't blow smoke up my ass about how it's a game changing revolutionary technology that does things that simply can't be done without it.

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

kranke155 wrote: post #219
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #206

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> So you agree that DRM is a way to enforce scarcity in a post scarcity world ? Yes, and one that is fundamentally flawed, and never should have been attempted in the first place in my opinion, but I think you'll agree that an NFT is not quite the same thing as DRM. > Your words - my software can be copied even though I sell it. exactly the same with NFTs. Ok, there's a semblance of an argument here I don't actually…

I don’t know about other people and their misconceptions. I hope (and think) they are not as widespread as you think. But yeah I think of NFTs as a novel way to support digital art. Not much else, just pay the artist. Same as buying a painting really, except you don’t really own the painting anymore. The idea that buying art is anything BUT supporting an artist is pretty funny. It’s as if we’ve normalised art as eith…

> The idea that buying art is anything BUT supporting an artist is pretty funny.

Traditionally people bought art to possess it, look at it, and display it for others.

> Buying art was always meant to just let the artist do his thing!

No, that's kinda what patronage was all about. We have crowd sourced versions of that.

> Selling digital art before NFTs was a complete pain! Before them you had to go with an agency or gallery, they took a cut, they had to like your stuff.

That wasn't necessary though, you could sell art all sorts of ways. You could even just set up your own online store if you wanted. All NFTs seem to have done is take advantage of the hype-chasing and speculation crowds.

> there is an honest revolution in digital art happening right now

You've lost me here. Literally nothing about what you're describing requires NFTs other than convincing people to pay money for the NFTs by tangentially tying them to art. It is enabling artists to hack human psychology for money, not enabling brand new kinds of art.

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Post by timmg »

costcofries wrote: post #119
abduhl wrote: post #105

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Then put your hobby where your mouth is. Pull all of your photos from the past 4 years from unsplash and mint NFTs for them.

That's exactly what I'm doing :)

If I were to buy one of your NFTs, what does that get me?

Do you confer a license to the photo that I can use elsewhere? Can I use it in an ad? Can I sell copies of it?

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Post by Gigachad »

exdsq wrote: post #168
malshe wrote: post #153

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What are some examples where NFTs have solved or are solving fundamental problems?

NFTs help solve a few of the problems in reselling gig tickets 1. Royalties paid to the band 2. Allow you to check they're authentic tickets 3. Allow you to sell them online to people in a trusted away (atomic transactions for money, so no you send it then I pay/you pay then I sent it)

You can do all 3 much easier with a database.

Re: NFT Replicas: An app to mint a replica of virtually any NFT

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Post by jshen »

basch wrote: post #229
jshen wrote: post #226

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Who balances the game in a decentralized world?

The game creators and the market. In the same way that the market will refuse to believe I printed an authentic pokemon card, the game players decide which printers/minters are valid game token producers. If the community decides to respect a certain game production team, that becomes reality. A game company being in charge only lasts as long as the players believing in them. It's the polar express basically.

I'm skeptical that this can work in a way that is fundamentally different than games without NFTs today.

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #114
falcolas wrote: post #67

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NFTs aren't trading cards. They're receipts showing that you "own" the card on display in the public square. And more than one receipt can be minted for that card. The most you can hope for is the earliest timestamp on the receipt.

I think NFTs are bullshit, but I don't think the "And more than one receipt can be minted for that card" is as much of a problem as people think it is. For example, it wouldn't be hard for an artist to publish a video saying "Hey folks, this is my public key, and these are the NFTs for these pieces of art", and then publish that video in multiple forums like Twitter, YouTube, etc. Then if someone tried to come up wit…

> For example, it wouldn't be hard for an artist to publish a video saying "Hey folks, this is my public key, and these are the NFTs for these pieces of art"

So then how do we know that artist actually created that art? For all we know, that artist took someone else's work and was just the first to mint NFTs for it on that particular chain. Maybe the legitimate artist minted NFTs on a different chain later so nobody will ever believe they created it because of the timestamp.

As I understand it, this sort of 'theft' is happening all the time right now.

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Post by Gigachad »

exdsq wrote: post #230
llimos wrote: post #221

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Both of those have a central authority that is granting the relevant rights. What's the advantage of an NFT over letting that central authority manage it in a centralized database? And if they won't agree to facilitate transfers, why would they agree to release the license/ticket as an NFT to begin with?

Bands != Ticket Master. Right now the easiest way to release tickets is through a central authority that takes fees to manage them, and then control the resale market. You can take the tickets elsewhere like Stubhub but that introduces 25% in fees to have insurance that if your tickets aren't valid and don't get you into the venue, you can have a refund. It's still impossible to check the tickets you purchase on thes…

You assume that these ticket companies are providing no value for the fees they charge. Which I think isn’t a safe thing to assume. Everything you have listed here would be much much easier in a database.

Any kind of argument here would have to start with an explanation of why it wouldn’t be possible or practical to just start a new ticket company that does this all for free/very cheap.

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Post by Gigachad »

hatware wrote: post #111
swalsh wrote: post #75

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/* FYI, the down arrow is not an indication of agreement, it is an indication of quality. If you disagree with me, at least have the common courtesy to comment. */ It's a shame the acronym NFT has become synonymous with digital images. As a concept it's a huge idea with so much potential. The issue is people now hear NFT, and their mind shuts down thinking it's some stupid monkey picture thing. Everything you can do…

You get it. Everyone who says this is "dumb" said the internet, Facebook, Instagram, or Tik-tok was dumb too. Yet here they are. Kinks need to be worked out, sure, but in ten to fifteen years artists will not be beholden to corporations. That is something to work towards and be very proud of.

There is a much much larger pile of garbage that was called dumb and just died off because it was.
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