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Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by dang »

wyuenho wrote: post #173
mrweasel wrote: post #139

I really don't understand China, but China also don't care to understand the west one bit. China has zero cultural understand about anything beyond its borders and basically only survives on other cultures being either extremely flexible or completely dependent on China for manufacturing (or both). We're basically just waiting for companies to pull manufacturing from China, because they can deal with the backlash at…

It's not about culture. China has been interacting with the rest of the world for millennia. It's about mindset. It's about them not willing to let go of their chauvinistic imperial outlook they impart on themselves and to the world.

Nationalistic flamewar is not allowed on HN and posting this sort of nationalistic denunciation is not ok, regardless of which country you have a problem with.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by dnautics »

silisili wrote: post #274
dnautics wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's also become increasingly difficult, and in some cases nigh impossible, to avoid items from China. I have the opposite experience. I find it's becoming increasingly easy. I'm finding myself surprised that most things aren't made in china. So far the only thing I haven't been able to get was a waffle maker -- I can do without! Or I should just actually get a $300 waffle maker instead of something stupid that wil…

> The hardest to find was a power drill. Depending on where you live and what you like....DeWalt and high end Craftsman make drills in the USA. Makita makes some in Japan. I believe Bosch does some in Germany, but don't quote me on that.

DeWalt, Craftsman and Makita all had "made in china". Bosch was not (I think it's thailand). Maybe i was too low-end.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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sharklazer wrote: post #163
mpol wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you allow me to throw in an idea, and please correct me if you see fit. In earlier times the Confucian pacifist ways of China were not up to the aggression of Western Europe, the US and Japan. In more recent times they learned to deal better with these foreign powers. The last thing they want is to give up their autonomy and culture and get run over by all these well meaning politicians that are very much after po…

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Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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clavicat wrote: post #9

>Intel joined other prominent U.S. companies Monday pledging to do more to address systemic racism in the wake of the killing of an African-American man, George Floyd, by a police officer in Minneapolis. >“Black lives matter. Period,” CEO Bob Swan wrote in a memo to employees Monday, embracing the rallying cry of contemporary civil rights activists. “While racism can look very different around the world, one thing th…

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Post by giancarlostoro »

bogwog wrote: post #148
joshuajill wrote: post #76

Interestingly, small companies like FairPhone work to improve their suppliers' labor conditions. Intel of all the companies is in a position to do the same or more. However they choose to whitewash their brand by blaming the chinese government of their lack of care. Their hypocrisy backfired, and they let China win on all counts. Ironically they ended up helping whitewash the chinese government.

How could Intel help improve the forced labor situation in Xinjiang? That’s an extremely sensitive political issue which money won’t solve.

If every major company benefitting from China got together and made demands I wouldn’t be surprised if Chinas hand is forced.

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Post by dnautics »

Symbiote wrote: post #92
hrrsn wrote: post #34

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> I see people -- including Chinese diaspora -- calling for banning Intel. Is this feasible? There's not all that many other options for x86

I think AMD has less (possibly much less) in China than Intel. I spent about €200,000 on AMD servers last year. They are performing better than Intel ones would have done at the same price, so it was a very easy decision.

isn't this exactly the opposite? IIRC there was a situation where a large-ish? AMD subdivision in china was nationalized and made off with a considerable amount of AMD IP

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viktorcode wrote: post #56

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Please don't post generic flamewar comments to HN, and certainly not generic nationalistic flamewar comments. It's against the site guidelines and everything we're trying for this forum to be.

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Post by dang »

zohch wrote: post #67
andy_ppp wrote: post #11

I think we should stop using China for cheap Labour in general given how hostile their government are becoming. Where possible I try to buy Taiwanese, Korean and Japanese electronics.

That there is any controversy in this statement is insane, but I would be very wary of ever making this statement non-anonymously, because I know I'm more likely than not to be cancelled for it. China has mastered the manipulation of the west's successor ideology better than those in the west that instituted it.

Please don't use HN for generic nationalistic and ideological flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.

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