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Re: /tap – Powerful and customizable note-taking system

#41

Congrats on the release! I _really_ love the simple approach this tool takes. Though personally, I view note taking as “commodity” enough, that I prefer to own my data, and use my existing editor setup. If folks are looking for a productive, yet low-ceremony note taking workflow, GitHub.dev might be worth a look, since it provides the benefits of using Markdown, a GitHub repo, and VS Code, all from the browser: http:…

I'm working on local-first OSS for this sort of second brain thing called OpenMemex. The data store is sqlite (wasm/rust frontend) with programmable integrations in mind:

https://github.com/austinvhuang/openmemex

Re: /tap – Powerful and customizable note-taking system

#42
There's some very cool ideas here, I like the approach it's taking with composability, it's an interesting project. And the integration into other systems seems kind of inspired in some ways, getting a summary email or doing stuff with text messages seems gimmicky in theory but I bet it actually feels great and ends up being useful in practice. Probably a lesson there about the benefits of integrating with multiple systems/primatives that people already know how to use and build on as a way of encouraging them to be more flexible/creative.

However, and it's a big however:

Speaking as someone who once did a ton of handwritten notetaking in OneNote, and then realized that the export options at the time made it practically impossible for me to carry those notes forward as my setup evolved, and that I was about to potentially lose somewhere between 1 to 2 years of my notetaking life, the "I need to know that when I put my brain in this that I can get it back out" worry is pretty real.

It's not even just data export, OneNote had this cool thing where it would search the text of handwritten notes, which encourages you to take handwritten notes. It's great because handwritten notes feel good to write but are disorganized, so you could kind of bridge the gap. But the problem is that then even if you do get the images out, all that functionality is gone suddenly. So similarly, lets say I do use an API to back up all my notes, am I going to build extensive infrastructure around integrating with SMS and a CLI that all just gets thrown away some day?

After OneNote, it's very hard for me to consider using a notetaking app that doesn't talk about its data format/export on its homepage. Digging through the blog posts, I can see some talk about Open Source data formats, which is good, but only partially assuages my fears. But in general, /tap is immediately talking about REST APIs on its homepage, which, cool, I do think that's a cool idea. Is there actually an overlapping Venn diagram between people who are using a note system that's so comprehensive it's sending them text reminders, and people who know how to make REST requests, and people who aren't very paranoid about owning their own data?

I pay subscriptions for other people to host stuff that I don't want to dig into the technical weeds for; I pay for Wallabag hosting because I have stuff to do with my life that doesn't involve running security updates on a Wallabag server. I'm really happy to pay for services like that, especially if its in the $1-10 a month range, which /tap is. But importantly, I could self-host Wallabag if I needed to, today, without losing any functionality and without needing to rebuild any of my infrastructure that integrates with Wallabag. I could migrate my data both to the new self-hosted service or to a competing service, or I could even pay another 3rd-party to host Wallabag for me again, and point my URLs to their servers. So I don't have a bunch of hesitations in the back of my mind about giving someone money to host that kind of service because it's less of a risk to do so.

On the other hand, with /tap, with a system where I am literally putting part of my brain into the computer, I think I need stronger guarantees about how it's going to work and what will happen after it gets bought by Google.

Re: /tap – Powerful and customizable note-taking system

#43

I follow an unwritten rule that I will always congratulate anyone on shipping anything. Shipping anything is hard and deserves praise, so congratulations! Unfortunately I'm also realizing that I got to a point in life where I just roll my eyes when I see yet another note-taking, or to-do app, or any other spin on the same trivial problem that we solved 1000 years ago and now are just beating a dead horse, almost like…

The note taking space is interesting to me. You say the problem is solved, and yet, every time I see a new app in this space, I perk up because I hope that maybe this is the one that will resonate/work for me.

Note taking is a deeply personal process. Physical notebooks as a medium are infinitely flexible but apps are not. This means that 100 different people writing notes on paper might be doing so in 100 different ways.

I’d argue that this is why this is such a crowded (or rich) product category.

I often find that is not for me, and I find myself hoping for something that fits my particular needs and habits. I’ve occasionally thought about trying to build my own.

All of this to say: I don’t think the cynicism is needed here. Even if this is a solved problem for you, it’s not for all of us, and I think the evidence that this is true is found in the fact that developers keep looking for new ways to solve this problem.

Re: /tap – Powerful and customizable note-taking system

#44

I follow an unwritten rule that I will always congratulate anyone on shipping anything. Shipping anything is hard and deserves praise, so congratulations! Unfortunately I'm also realizing that I got to a point in life where I just roll my eyes when I see yet another note-taking, or to-do app, or any other spin on the same trivial problem that we solved 1000 years ago and now are just beating a dead horse, almost like…

Thanks! I made /tap and I agree with a lot of what you're saying. The thing is, working on tap has been and continues to be fun! I think there are so many note-taking apps because a. they _can be_ easy to make and b. because everyone has their own way they want to take a note. I think of tap less as a note-taking system, more like the system to make the system. Sure there's a long way to go to _fully_ realize that, but I think we're headed in the right direction.

I like seeing tap used for stuff I didn't anticipate. And that's what it's all about for me. Like, you could just use the API and never log into /tap at all.

Also, maybe you're not into this kind of thing, how many note-taking systems have S-expression formulas that support nested functions?

Re: /tap – Powerful and customizable note-taking system

#45

Looks interesting. However, no more subscriptions. I only use FOSS software or software I can buy for money.

Provided the SMS features are core to the system (and it looks like they are), then this is more of a service than a software product, in my opinion. It's surprisingly expensive to send or receive a text message - about a cent[1]. A light user would cost them about $0.50/month and a heavy user would cost them several dollars. I don't know how you could provide that without a subscription.

1. https://www.twilio.com/sms/pricing/us

Re: /tap – Powerful and customizable note-taking system

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you access your notes on mobile?

Look into gitjournal if you're storing and editing markdown from git repos: https://gitjournal.io/ It's very nice in my experience.

Yeah GitJournal is great. I used it for a while, and the dev is super responsive and awesome.

Re: /tap – Powerful and customizable note-taking system

#47

I follow an unwritten rule that I will always congratulate anyone on shipping anything. Shipping anything is hard and deserves praise, so congratulations! Unfortunately I'm also realizing that I got to a point in life where I just roll my eyes when I see yet another note-taking, or to-do app, or any other spin on the same trivial problem that we solved 1000 years ago and now are just beating a dead horse, almost like…

Congratulations are indeed due, so ditto there.

I have to say I have the same response - dammit, not another one - but I'm rather more interested in our complete fascination with these tools. Like - I have my note taking / knowledge stuff pretty much nailed [+] but STILL I always find myself clicking through on posts like this. Like many others on HN, I'm absolutely, unbearably, totally addicted to considering and re-considering my methodology in the notes / to-do space, even though I'm really happy with what I've got.

When I try to analyse this I realise there's a part-dopamine level thing (I love a beautiful, clean UI and idea), partly a wishful thinking (man, if only I could remember X, maybe this is the tool to help me!), and partly (this is the hard one to admit to but I would bet money on many other HN types as being here with me) an addiction with process, pure and simple. Anything to not actually have to DO that thing I need to do - oh look, I could review a tool that'll help me procrastinate a while longer.

It reminds me of the me when I was 16 and "revising" for GCSE exams. I spent about 90% of my time re-formatting and colouring in my revision timetable rather than actually doing the work of revision. That me is still here, only now it's notes apps rather than colouring in...

Finally - I think admitting that there simply isn't a perfect tool that will enable All The Things and Make Me A Much More Effective Person is much, much harder than the alternative which is to keep the Holy Grail somewhere in my consciousness, and keep on clicking those damn notes app links :-)

[+] In case anyone cares, I've used them all but I'm really happy with current 3-pronged approach: Evernote for transient / meeting / throwaway notes. TickTick for to-do's. Dokuwiki for longer term / journaled / documentation type stuff. All connected together via the common beauty of hyperlinks. Hook for Mac is amazeballs for this...

Re: /tap – Powerful and customizable note-taking system

#48
post #43

I follow an unwritten rule that I will always congratulate anyone on shipping anything. Shipping anything is hard and deserves praise, so congratulations! Unfortunately I'm also realizing that I got to a point in life where I just roll my eyes when I see yet another note-taking, or to-do app, or any other spin on the same trivial problem that we solved 1000 years ago and now are just beating a dead horse, almost like…

The note taking space is interesting to me. You say the problem is solved, and yet, every time I see a new app in this space, I perk up because I hope that maybe this is the one that will resonate/work for me. Note taking is a deeply personal process. Physical notebooks as a medium are infinitely flexible but apps are not. This means that 100 different people writing notes on paper might be doing so in 100 different…

I have to say this makes sense to me, and I've always known that I'm just not in the target audience for these apps, but if you'll allow me to poke some fun at your comment for a second, I'd paraphrase it as "my note-taking needs are so intricate that nobody has hit the right spot yet. I need a perfect soup of features coded and exposed to me in just the right way so that when I finally write down a note I have a mental orgasm" :)

Joking aside, I personally think it's more important to focus my attention on the substance of the note, rather than the process of taking the notes, though the two aren't in conflict with each other, except for the times when they take away from your time and mental bandwidth.

Re: /tap – Powerful and customizable note-taking system

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post #43

I follow an unwritten rule that I will always congratulate anyone on shipping anything. Shipping anything is hard and deserves praise, so congratulations! Unfortunately I'm also realizing that I got to a point in life where I just roll my eyes when I see yet another note-taking, or to-do app, or any other spin on the same trivial problem that we solved 1000 years ago and now are just beating a dead horse, almost like…

The note taking space is interesting to me. You say the problem is solved, and yet, every time I see a new app in this space, I perk up because I hope that maybe this is the one that will resonate/work for me. Note taking is a deeply personal process. Physical notebooks as a medium are infinitely flexible but apps are not. This means that 100 different people writing notes on paper might be doing so in 100 different…

Totally! I made tap and I still use org-mode for a lot of stuff! I think we all think slightly different things when we hear "notes" It is both an artifact and also a system for capturing the artifacts. the artifact is often, but not always, just some boring text -- but the way it is captured and used can be really interesting and as varied as the artifacts themselves. _so. many. possibilities._!

Re: /tap – Powerful and customizable note-taking system

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The note taking space is interesting to me. You say the problem is solved, and yet, every time I see a new app in this space, I perk up because I hope that maybe this is the one that will resonate/work for me. Note taking is a deeply personal process. Physical notebooks as a medium are infinitely flexible but apps are not. This means that 100 different people writing notes on paper might be doing so in 100 different…

Totally! I made tap and I still use org-mode for a lot of stuff! I think we all think slightly different things when we hear "notes" It is both an artifact and also a system for capturing the artifacts. the artifact is often, but not always, just some boring text -- but the way it is captured and used can be really interesting and as varied as the artifacts themselves. _so. many. possibilities._!

I’m an avid org-mode user, all of my work happens there.

Can you give me the elevator pitch for why I would pay for tap over my existing org-mode + captures + agenda?

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