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Grindr €6.5M fined for not collecting users’ valid consent for sharing data

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Post by jen20 »

denton-scratch wrote: post #175
charcircuit wrote: post #45

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>What aspect of GDPR is troublesome to you? It tries to restrict data. Information wants to be free. It has no owner.

> It has no owner. It's not about ownership. It's about my right to keep private information private. It's a right granted by law: the GDPR. > Information wants to be free That slogan originates in a sentence that contrasts "information wants to be expensive" (because it's so valuable) with "information wants to be free" (because it's so cheap to distribute). It's not like saying "televisions want to be free, so I th…

> many of the GDPR-haters here aren't people who depend on selling PII for their living

And if they are, they should be ashamed of themselves (though likely not capable of that) and shunned by all members of the industry with any ethical compass.

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Post by secondcoming »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #167
secondcoming wrote: post #60

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Grindr is/was considered a poor quality brand from an advertising perspective. Nobody wants their ads to appear next to graphic images

Not true, depending on the product. I'm sure the PreP ads I see on Grindr have no problem advertising on a gay hookup app. But more to the point, Grindr got in trouble specifically for selling data to advertising networks presumably so they could also be targeted outside Grindr. Knowing someone's sex, sexual orientation, location, age and hobbies is great targeting data.

Fair enough, but Grindr was on every agency blacklist I came across when I worked in adtech.

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Post by Mirioron »

dmitriid wrote: post #122
Mirioron wrote: post #92

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How are websites and apps going to make money though? Like it or not, the reason the internet became this popular is because of all the free stuff on it. If everything was behind subscription fees it possibly would never have taken off. I don't think I would've ever used Google if they had charged a fee for the service. This would effectively make political interests entrenched even more on the internet, because they…

> How are websites and apps going to make money though? Ah yes. The unsolved issue of businesses making money without wholesale collection and sale of user data. No business ever made money until collecting and selling user data became possible.

Except that these are businesses giving away a free product which has been immensely useful. Starting out I wouldn't have paid for almost any of the services that I use on a daily basis.

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Post by Mirioron »

jacquesm wrote: post #120
Mirioron wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are websites and apps going to make money though? Like it or not, the reason the internet became this popular is because of all the free stuff on it. If everything was behind subscription fees it possibly would never have taken off. I don't think I would've ever used Google if they had charged a fee for the service. This would effectively make political interests entrenched even more on the internet, because they…

Advertising worked fine before tracking. Selling your users data, especially this kind of data is a thing that more than negates the value your users derived from your service, in some places it might get you killed. There are many ways for websites and apps to make money, and if you can't then maybe you simply shouldn't.

Advertising without tracking doesn't work. Only a small set of businesses can really advertise online without tracking. Any business that is in a specific area or doesn't use English will find it a bad deal, because most of their ads will be shown to people who don't understand the language or aren't in the area.

Even with tracking ads get the language component wrong frequently. Unskippable ads in a language you can't understand is even worse than normal.

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Post by madeofpalk »

jacquesm wrote: post #54
lettergram wrote: post #49

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A fine of this size indicates to me they should harvest and sell more data to increase profits. Tens of millions would still probably be worth it to Grindr. Imagine your a government who doesn’t like homosexuals. Pay a fee - $5-$10m and you’ll get a list of users globally. Probably with travel patterns. Next time they enter the country, arrest or block visas before they enter. Nah, this fine (which I don’t even know…

These fines tend to go up with repeat performances. Sooner or later some company will be fined right out of business and then we'll see whether the remainder will catch on that playing games with regulators is a losing one.

playing games with functional regulators is a losing one.

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Post by headmelted »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #136
headmelted wrote: post #71

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It's a slap on the wrist. 100x this fine would have been appropriate. Anything less just encourages other companies to treat privacy and data security as a joke.

That would be more than the full value of the company. Seems a little steep for the first fine.

€650 million does not seem steep at all for the offence, given the consequences for those involved.

It’s not supposed to be a tax, it’s supposed to be a disincentive.

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Post by jacquesm »

Mirioron wrote: post #194
jacquesm wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Advertising worked fine before tracking. Selling your users data, especially this kind of data is a thing that more than negates the value your users derived from your service, in some places it might get you killed. There are many ways for websites and apps to make money, and if you can't then maybe you simply shouldn't.

Advertising without tracking doesn't work. Only a small set of businesses can really advertise online without tracking. Any business that is in a specific area or doesn't use English will find it a bad deal, because most of their ads will be shown to people who don't understand the language or aren't in the area. Even with tracking ads get the language component wrong frequently. Unskippable ads in a language you can…

Many billions of dollars are spent annually on advertising without tracking: every ad in print and the vast bulk of all radio and TV advertising are not tracked at all. The web was the first medium were advertising tracking could be done and it is simply an arms race, if everybody stopped doing it then it would work just as well as it does today (and it would be a damn sight less annoying).

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Post by s1artibartfast »

jacquesm wrote: post #120
Mirioron wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are websites and apps going to make money though? Like it or not, the reason the internet became this popular is because of all the free stuff on it. If everything was behind subscription fees it possibly would never have taken off. I don't think I would've ever used Google if they had charged a fee for the service. This would effectively make political interests entrenched even more on the internet, because they…

Advertising worked fine before tracking. Selling your users data, especially this kind of data is a thing that more than negates the value your users derived from your service, in some places it might get you killed. There are many ways for websites and apps to make money, and if you can't then maybe you simply shouldn't.

>Selling your users data, especially this kind of data is a thing that more than negates the value your users derived from your service, in some places it might get you killed. There are many ways for websites and apps to make money, and if you can't then maybe you simply shouldn't.

This is too general of a statement. The majority of people in the US don't care about digital privacy and do get positive value.

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Post by dmitriid »

Mirioron wrote: post #193
dmitriid wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How are websites and apps going to make money though? Ah yes. The unsolved issue of businesses making money without wholesale collection and sale of user data. No business ever made money until collecting and selling user data became possible.

Except that these are businesses giving away a free product which has been immensely useful. Starting out I wouldn't have paid for almost any of the services that I use on a daily basis.

> Except that these are businesses giving away a free product which has been immensely useful

And that somehow makes it okay to collect personal data wholesale without consent and sell it to the highest bidder?

Re: Grindr €6.5M fined for not collecting users’ valid consent for sharing data

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Post by dmitriid »

Mirioron wrote: post #194
jacquesm wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Advertising worked fine before tracking. Selling your users data, especially this kind of data is a thing that more than negates the value your users derived from your service, in some places it might get you killed. There are many ways for websites and apps to make money, and if you can't then maybe you simply shouldn't.

Advertising without tracking doesn't work. Only a small set of businesses can really advertise online without tracking. Any business that is in a specific area or doesn't use English will find it a bad deal, because most of their ads will be shown to people who don't understand the language or aren't in the area. Even with tracking ads get the language component wrong frequently. Unskippable ads in a language you can…

> Advertising without tracking doesn't work.

It does.

Moreover, the benefits of tracking for advertising are yet to be proven. Can't find it on mobile, but there have already been businesses giving up an tracked advertising because it had all the efficacy of shouting in a sandstorm.

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