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Grindr €6.5M fined for not collecting users’ valid consent for sharing data

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Post by Kye »

pessimizer wrote: post #155
rvnx wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the typical storage and handling for Uranium quite safe and even safer than oil ? Triuranium octoxide (Yellowcake): Yellowcake is as radiologically harmless as natural potassium-carrying minerals or thorium-oxide mantles used in paraffin fuel lanterns.

It can't be safer than oil, because nobody who wants to make a dirty bomb is trying to steal your oil.

In this growing analogy, developers collecting data mindlessly are descendants of Early Anthropocene humans discovering entombed nuclear fuel and not understanding or ignoring the dire warnings outside.

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Post by cblconfederate »

xemoka wrote: post #153
crazy1van wrote: post #151

Unfortunately, data collection and data sales (either of the data directly or via targeted ads) is how many modern internet companies generate revenue. It’s easy to claim that they should just charge money directly for their product but their would-be customers seem to rather pay with their data than a monthly fee. In fact, anecdotally, it’s often the vocal critics of data-funded tech companies who post an archive.is…

Oh man, that’s such a false equivalency. Because someone thinks journalism should be done in the open, particularly when the topic of commentary, doesn’t mean they want their private information (location, sex partners, whatever) sold to the highest bidder without their informed consent.

that is attacking a strawman that the comment did not make. It IS a paradox that people want information to be free but not if other people use it for advertising.

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Post by officeplant »

denton-scratch wrote: post #180
officeplant wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're also deep in a pandemic where olden times means of socialization are pretty restricted. I'm not gonna walk into a bar in 2021 to be assaulted by smoke, sound, and covid. Just the smoke and sound has been enough to keep me out of them for over a decade now.

Smoking in bars is also forbidden here. Many pubs don't play music; and in these COVID times, I often find there's just one other person in there, reading a paper.

>I often find there's just one other person in there, reading a paper.

That sounds pleasant. Smoking restrictions here vary greatly on a city by city basis. Unfortunately the bar scene in my city likes to pretend we aren't in a pandemic and only a few have decided to brave a smaller customer base and ban smoking.

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Post by halostatue »

jacquesm wrote: post #16

The sooner companies start to realize that personal data is a liability rather than an asset the better. Happy to see this fine, but as far as I'm concerned given the kind of data we're talking about here it should have been higher.

I work with retail tech and provide both "connector" middleware and product solutions.

When we have products that we produce that are required to keep customer data, we figure out what the _minimum_ amount of data required is to deliver the value required _to the end customer_ and do our best not to expose any more data than that.

For everything else, the goal is for our systems to hold _zero_ end customer data and _minimal_ employee data. We don’t want the liability. We do a lot of security engineering around what we do, but we want to make sure that we aren’t the source of a data breach on behalf of our customers because we aren’t holding the data in the first place.

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Post by datavirtue »

ryandrake wrote: post #20
jacquesm wrote: post #16

The sooner companies start to realize that personal data is a liability rather than an asset the better. Happy to see this fine, but as far as I'm concerned given the kind of data we're talking about here it should have been higher.

I remember someone here putting it this way: treat user data like uranium, not oil. Both are valuable, but you don’t want to just collect and store an unlimited amount of uranium. Collect the bare minimum user data you need to operate your business and then dispose of it when it’s no longer needed.

The data is power and can equate to money quite easily. This means that people are not going to handle data responsibly unless forced to do so.

Most companies have zero data controls and it ends up getting passed around everywhere and saved off by employees for their own personal use.

It's like waving money in front of people when you have no way to determine if it gets stolen or by whom.

I was raised in a family bookeeping business that handled all of the vital business data for hundreds of clients. Data protection and privacy (respect for clients) were always job #1.

This came to be my philosophy for all user data in any context. A philosophy that very few people share--and the rise of the web seems to have reversed any possibility of such a philosophy taking hold as user data became a form of currency.

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Post by mistrial9 »

From a systems point of view, the "boiling over" of agitated Grindrs data is no surprise as the source of obvious data abuse, similar to the way that the data on compulsive gamblers is used and abused, I suspect. Yet this is only a tip of an iceburg.

In My Own Opoinion - this "surveillance capitalism" is a huge, stinking cancer on free society and is only getting started.. history will show this is absolutely true. "I have nothing to hide" people can get a free Grindr subscription for all I care.. this is a rotten situation.

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Post by jsjsbdkj »

nickpp wrote: post #159
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #51

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Why can't organs be considered as a means of payment? Not sarcasm - I think that while it's obviously a different scale, the reasons are similar and boil down to "we don't want that as a society" and "the environment this creates is not conductive to a free and informed rational decision". Many people don't understand the value of their data and the risk it poses, there is an information imbalance, there is a power i…

Are you implying that my online data is as important to me as an actual organ?! Because it certainly doesn’t feel that way.

If it's data about your sexual orientation, HIV status, and who you've been talking to it may be extremely important.

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Post by donarb »

keewee7 wrote: post #121

Maybe it's time that frameworks like Django and Rails make it easier to be GDPR compliant from day 1. ASP.NET Core has APIs and templates for this: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/aspnet/core/security/gdpr?v...

> Maybe it's time that frameworks like Django and Rails make it easier to be GDPR compliant from day 1

The first step in being GDPR compliant is not installing a tracking library in your project. Web frameworks have no control over that.

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Post by datavirtue »

jacquesm wrote: post #53
KronisLV wrote: post #46

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> The EU is merely leading the way here, you can expect all of the developed world to have similar data protection laws on the books sooner or later. While i do believe in being privacy conscious, i don't believe that this will be the case anytime soon (or at least until a generational shift happens). No business is interested in having to suddenly comply with such regulations and essentially no longer being able to…

Think of it as the law catching up with technology. > No business is interested in having to suddenly comply with such regulations and essentially no longer being able to utilize the data of individuals however they please. Indeed, hence the need for regulation. > Ergo, corporate interests will probably lead to lots of lobbying in this regard, just look at what happened with net neutrality and the advertising around…

I noticed that some companies, increasingly common, are throwing up banners that will not go away, and have no deny button.

The banner is stuck on the screen and usually has a button captioned: Learn more, instead of the cancel or deny button.

I just want the damn banner out of my face. How long before browsers automatically hide (default deny cookies) the banner and give the user a way to expose it if they wish?

I feel abused and manipulated as a user when they use these dark patterns--which the law, to my knowledge, expressly prohibits.

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Post by e0a74c »

hungryforcodes wrote: post #44
deepstack wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why people use apps website for personal stuff like that is beyond me. Just because some hip looking company is making an app/website doesn't mean it is secure or good data custodian.

How else are you supposed to get laid? I don't get this comment.

By gauging the situation and, where appropriate, behaving in a slightly playful, attentive and flirtatious manner towards anyone that catches your fancy (not limited to bar patrons btw.)
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