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Grindr €6.5M fined for not collecting users’ valid consent for sharing data

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Re: Grindr €6.5M fined for not collecting users’ valid consent for sharing data

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Post by satyrnein »

999900000999 wrote: post #61
morbia wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With respect, that is easy to say when ~50% of the population is a potential partner and is easily determinable. When you are gay and the majority of guys are straight, finding partners organically is near impossible (unless you're in a gay bar or something). I'm not condoning Grindr's actions or that people shouldn't use it with care, but it really has become a key part of LGBT networking in the modern era.

I think it depends on where you are, the city I live in has a very large gay scene. So I've had guys just try to chat me up while I'm at a restaurant or something, I don't mind. The only time it was a bit weird is when a co-worker told me I look like his husband, not okay to say at work.

a co-worker told me I look like his husband

A female coworker told me that once, didn't seem that weird.

Re: Grindr €6.5M fined for not collecting users’ valid consent for sharing data

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Post by leodriesch »

Terry_Roll wrote: post #90
ryandrake wrote: post #20

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I remember someone here putting it this way: treat user data like uranium, not oil. Both are valuable, but you don’t want to just collect and store an unlimited amount of uranium. Collect the bare minimum user data you need to operate your business and then dispose of it when it’s no longer needed.

You can collect as much data as you like, its what you do with it that counts.

I think the less data you collect the less impact a leak or rogue employee can have.

Imagine if Hacker News would leak its user database. I assume there is not much in there, so the impact would pretty much be non existent.

Re: Grindr €6.5M fined for not collecting users’ valid consent for sharing data

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Post by 3np »

999900000999 wrote: post #61
morbia wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With respect, that is easy to say when ~50% of the population is a potential partner and is easily determinable. When you are gay and the majority of guys are straight, finding partners organically is near impossible (unless you're in a gay bar or something). I'm not condoning Grindr's actions or that people shouldn't use it with care, but it really has become a key part of LGBT networking in the modern era.

I think it depends on where you are, the city I live in has a very large gay scene. So I've had guys just try to chat me up while I'm at a restaurant or something, I don't mind. The only time it was a bit weird is when a co-worker told me I look like his husband, not okay to say at work.

> not okay to say at work

I wasn’t there so I wouldn’t know the tone and context, which can make a difference but... In general, how’s that problematic?

Also, strangers talking to you does not mean they’re sexually or romantically interested in you. Some people are just platonically social. Moreso in some places than others.

Re: Grindr €6.5M fined for not collecting users’ valid consent for sharing data

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Post by Mirioron »

jacquesm wrote: post #53
KronisLV wrote: post #46

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> The EU is merely leading the way here, you can expect all of the developed world to have similar data protection laws on the books sooner or later. While i do believe in being privacy conscious, i don't believe that this will be the case anytime soon (or at least until a generational shift happens). No business is interested in having to suddenly comply with such regulations and essentially no longer being able to…

Think of it as the law catching up with technology. > No business is interested in having to suddenly comply with such regulations and essentially no longer being able to utilize the data of individuals however they please. Indeed, hence the need for regulation. > Ergo, corporate interests will probably lead to lots of lobbying in this regard, just look at what happened with net neutrality and the advertising around…

>Sure. But since EU citizens will be enjoying those protections and US citizens will not eventually this will translate into an advantage for companies doing business from the EU and into the US. For that reason alone there will be a big incentive for the US to make a law that is symmetrical to remove this advantage.

Except it's literally the other way around. EU companies will be at a disadvantage because they cannot use the data to neither improve their service or to monetize it in some way.

>The EU is too large a market to miss out on.

Is it? Then what does that make China and the US? Or the rest of Asia? They don't seem to make nearly as many rules that require a service to change the entirety of their monetization system. If companies have to agree to EU terms then why wouldn't they do the same to China? After all, it's too big a market to ignore.

The EU keeps making more rules for all kinds of things. Eventually this is going to catch up with us - if it hasn't already done so. The EU isn't exactly the tech center of the world nor does it seem to have a great trajectory or bright future. When it comes to tech all we seem to have is cars. Everything else is foreign developed, designed, and manufactured.

Re: Grindr €6.5M fined for not collecting users’ valid consent for sharing data

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Post by stackbutterflow »

GordonS wrote: post #97
stackbutterflow wrote: post #84

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What if half of the fine was given to the user(s)? That way users would have an incentive to sue companies (i.e get rich quick). That way personal data would really have to be considered a liability if companies don't want to start giving millions to their users left and right.

Grindr has around 4 million daily users, and up to 30 million registered users in total. Even a fine of this size would be meaningless once divided between the users.

I meant giving a million dollar per user. People would try to sue them en masse. They would have no choice but to be very strict about what they do with our data.

Re: Grindr €6.5M fined for not collecting users’ valid consent for sharing data

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Post by leodriesch »

tmarice wrote: post #82

Grindr is incorporated in the US, I'm not sure how they plan to enforce this fine.

The EU operations of Grindr have to follow European laws and will therefore have to pay the fee or leave the European market.

If they won’t leave or pay, the EU could possibly force app stores to remove the app from their region or something similar.

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Post by cblconfederate »

breakfastduck wrote: post #37
charcircuit wrote: post #23

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Or you could see it as operating in the EU is a liability. If you don't handle data in just the way they like they will come after you.

What aspect of GDPR is troublesome to you? Because 'dont abuse your ownership of personal data' is pretty much what it boils down to.

The idea that some data is owned, and that people can obtain ownership of data that belongs to other entities is as moronic as claiming that the CO2 i breathed is owned by me. Data is data, it's not PII or whatever stupid contraptiion lawyers came up with to keep themselves busy

If EU wanted to ban tracked ads, it should make a law bans tracked ads, that simple. Not only it would instantly achieve the desired effect (which GDPR did NOT), it would level the playing field for more ethical companies to thrive within the EU.

Re: Grindr €6.5M fined for not collecting users’ valid consent for sharing data

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Post by breakfastduck »

cblconfederate wrote: post #108
breakfastduck wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What aspect of GDPR is troublesome to you? Because 'dont abuse your ownership of personal data' is pretty much what it boils down to.

The idea that some data is owned, and that people can obtain ownership of data that belongs to other entities is as moronic as claiming that the CO2 i breathed is owned by me. Data is data, it's not PII or whatever stupid contraptiion lawyers came up with to keep themselves busy If EU wanted to ban tracked ads, it should make a law bans tracked ads, that simple. Not only it would instantly achieve the desired effect…

You are totally misinterpreting what GDPR is for, so it makes sense you'd be unable to recognize the benefits.

Data IS owned, by the person the data pertains to. And companies should not be able to capture that data, sell it and share it without explicit consent. Which GDPR does achieve.

Re: Grindr €6.5M fined for not collecting users’ valid consent for sharing data

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Post by jacquesm »

adrianN wrote: post #68
jacquesm wrote: post #62

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If you keep it around to sell then you are likely violating the 'legal basis for processing' part of the GDPR. Data can only be used for the purpose for which it was originally collected, selling the data to others to use without that exact same goal can not be such a purpose, and even then you will have to be quite careful that you maintain control. Various EU data brokers (Schober, for instance) have found ways to…

GDPR only requires informed consent to allow selling of data as far as I know. Am I wrong about that?

Yes, you are wrong about that.
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