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Face recognition is being banned, but it’s still everywhere

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Re: Face recognition is being banned, but it’s still everywhere

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Post by kenoph »

ricardobayes wrote: post #9
1cvmask wrote: post #6

London is the surveillance capital of the world: London is often called the CCTV capital of the world, and for good reason. The city is home to hundreds of thousands of CCTV cameras, and the average Londoner is caught on CCTV 300 times a day. https://www.cctv.co.uk/how-many-cctv-cameras-are-there-in-lo... Facial recognition software is being integrated now into this network. No one seems to mind at all. It seems that…

Not everywhere though, in Spain it's illegal to film the street. "In Spain, the law protects the rights of citizens to use public spaces, which is free from interference (Clavell et al., 2012)" If you want to live a functioning non-Orwellian society, move here.

Explain this to the folks at home: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/85qnx5/george_orwel...

Re: Face recognition is being banned, but it’s still everywhere

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Post by nopenopenopeno »

sneak wrote: post #28
bigodbiel wrote: post #14

Pre-crime facial recognition surveillance is authoritanism. Post-crime facial recognition of surveillance is investigative process. The cat is out of the bag, the only thing that prevents it's inevitable abuse is strict legal framework for its implementation

There's really no chance of that happening in the USA within a generation. The US federal government has decided that it alone is trustworthy, and that everyone and everything is a potential threat, and that it is entitled to unlimited and unrestricted surveillance of the entire country (and several others), regardless of what is or is not written into law. Snowden even blew the lid off of it, and nothing changed . T…

I’m not sure why you’re being downvoted. If anything, your comment is sadly an understatement.

Re: Face recognition is being banned, but it’s still everywhere

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Post by Nextgrid »

antihero wrote: post #17
actually_a_dog wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the Independent claimed in 2004 that the average Briton is caught on camera 300 times a day. [0] Since London probably has more than the average number of cameras per area, even if we wind the clock back 3-4 years, I suspect the answer is yes. --- [0]: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/how-avera...

Which is an amazing number yet the MET seem incapable of solving most crimes.

Solving real, victim-reported crimes requires effort, rarely scales and pretty much never brings any political clout.

Solving bullshit manufactured crimes such as drug-related ones scales better, doesn't even require a victim to complain and provides seemingly-decent political clout and a veneer of "we're doing something, see?".

What's the last time you heard about stolen bikes or phones being recovered on the BBC? Personally, never. But drug-related stuff is common.

Re: Face recognition is being banned, but it’s still everywhere

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Post by nopenopenopeno »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #19

I believe that the efforts to ban technologies such as this one are futile. Pandora's boxes can only be opened, never closed.

Even with all our efforts, murder still happens, so I guess it’s time to throw the towel in on that as well.

Re: Face recognition is being banned, but it’s still everywhere

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Post by andrepd »

bigodbiel wrote: post #14

Pre-crime facial recognition surveillance is authoritanism. Post-crime facial recognition of surveillance is investigative process. The cat is out of the bag, the only thing that prevents it's inevitable abuse is strict legal framework for its implementation

It's also trivially easy to regulate. Mandate that all cameras recording public spaces record to encrypted storage. The key is in possession of the judicial system. It can only be decrypted and examined with a warrant, with probable cause, as you would need for wiretapping or raiding a home or searching someone's computer.

Re: Face recognition is being banned, but it’s still everywhere

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Post by adolph »

andrepd wrote: post #36
bigodbiel wrote: post #14

Pre-crime facial recognition surveillance is authoritanism. Post-crime facial recognition of surveillance is investigative process. The cat is out of the bag, the only thing that prevents it's inevitable abuse is strict legal framework for its implementation

It's also trivially easy to regulate. Mandate that all cameras recording public spaces record to encrypted storage. The key is in possession of the judicial system. It can only be decrypted and examined with a warrant , with probable cause, as you would need for wiretapping or raiding a home or searching someone's computer.

All that seems trivial to type but less than trivial to implement.

Re: Face recognition is being banned, but it’s still everywhere

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Post by toper-centage »

bsenftner wrote: post #27

Note the immature (on purpose?) nature of some of these bans: some ban the local government only, some ban only one city of a multi-city district, and nearly all of them leave the option of hiring a private agency (with zero pubic oversight, because they are private) to do the FR for them. And that private agency happens to be owned by the step-son of one of the law makers. This type of legal nonsense is everywhere t…

The annoying part is that there's no opt out. And when there is, it's obscure (you can express that to the staff), and makes you look hella suspicious.

Re: Face recognition is being banned, but it’s still everywhere

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Post by the_pwner224 »

andrepd wrote: post #36
bigodbiel wrote: post #14

Pre-crime facial recognition surveillance is authoritanism. Post-crime facial recognition of surveillance is investigative process. The cat is out of the bag, the only thing that prevents it's inevitable abuse is strict legal framework for its implementation

It's also trivially easy to regulate. Mandate that all cameras recording public spaces record to encrypted storage. The key is in possession of the judicial system. It can only be decrypted and examined with a warrant , with probable cause, as you would need for wiretapping or raiding a home or searching someone's computer.

> The key is in possession of the judicial system. It can only be decrypted and examined with a warrant, with probable cause, as you would need for wiretapping

That's how you end up with the NSA and CIA being inside every single camera in the country :)

Re: Face recognition is being banned, but it’s still everywhere

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Post by ricardobayes »

kenoph wrote: post #31
ricardobayes wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everywhere though, in Spain it's illegal to film the street. "In Spain, the law protects the rights of citizens to use public spaces, which is free from interference (Clavell et al., 2012)" If you want to live a functioning non-Orwellian society, move here.

Explain this to the folks at home: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/85qnx5/george_orwel...

yes, having one CCTV is exactly the same situation as covering every square meter like in London. /s
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