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Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by olliej »

1cvmask wrote: post #5

Should we demand that companies avoid California suppliers as well because of the extensive use of prison labor: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-10-11/californ... https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/policing/2020/11/11/c... https://www.freedomunited.org/news/forced-prison-labor-in-ca...

yes?

Prison labour is fundamentally slave labour, especially in the US. The US prison system expanded massively after slavery was made illegal, especially privately run for profit businesses that are allowed to sell prisoners as laborers for below real market rates.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by olliej »

ngc248 wrote: post #16
1cvmask wrote: post #5

Should we demand that companies avoid California suppliers as well because of the extensive use of prison labor: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-10-11/californ... https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/policing/2020/11/11/c... https://www.freedomunited.org/news/forced-prison-labor-in-ca...

Is it slave labour, I mean are they being forced to do it and not being paid for it, then sure boycott it. If NOT, and if it is an avenue for prisoners to earn money, benefits, then don't boycott it

The problem is that privately run prisons require prisoners to pay for things that are realistically necessary despite not being legally mandated. They overcharge more than airports, and pay next to nothing.

They suffer because of it, and non-prisoners suffer as well, as they're competing with what is functionally slave labour.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by jollybean »

lazyeye wrote: post #19

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Not buying products from forced labour concentration camps is generally not an issue of 'wokeness'.

Hypocritical wokeness (in the pejorative sense) would be Nike shifting from performance atheletes to SJ athletes like Kaeernick, who sadly has made a direct comparison between the NFL selection process and slave auction. And Nike of course sources shoes in Asia from factories with very suspect labour practices.

The US et. al. should absolutely ban anything coming from districts where people are making stuff from concentration camps.

If China were a small country, they'd never be able to get away with it, it's not a huge story because everyone is afraid of the consequences.

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Post by nichtich »

ngc248 wrote: post #16
1cvmask wrote: post #5

Should we demand that companies avoid California suppliers as well because of the extensive use of prison labor: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-10-11/californ... https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/policing/2020/11/11/c... https://www.freedomunited.org/news/forced-prison-labor-in-ca...

Is it slave labour, I mean are they being forced to do it and not being paid for it, then sure boycott it. If NOT, and if it is an avenue for prisoners to earn money, benefits, then don't boycott it

Once you are already in prison it's hard to say whether you are forced to do it or not. It's not like you have a lot of employers and professions to choose from. And if the incentives include things like easier to get parole then refusing to participate would mean more time served. It'd be pretty hard to prove some labor is not "forced" in a prison setting.

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Post by mike_d »

1cvmask wrote: post #5

Should we demand that companies avoid California suppliers as well because of the extensive use of prison labor: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-10-11/californ... https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/policing/2020/11/11/c... https://www.freedomunited.org/news/forced-prison-labor-in-ca...

In the United States prisoners are required to participate in "work duties," which are defined as essential functions of the prison. For example you can be made to wash laundry because you are using bed sheets and clothing.

You cannot be forced into doing external work where the benefit of your labor falls to a private entity. Of course you can choose to do so and the primary benefit is not the wages (which are unfairly low in my opinion) but the "day for day" that reduces your sentence.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by jollybean »

rg111 wrote: post #17

China has got a massive consumer market, an unmatched manufacturing ecosystem with zero labor disputes among other things, minerals, arguably the most stable (in terms of violence, unrest, strikes, etc.) regions in the world, and more. They have got anyone by their balls who remotely wants to sell anything in China. John Cena (famous wrestler, entertainer) recently apologized to Chinese people after calling Taiwan a…

Surprisingly, there are a lot of strikes, labour issues, and general unrest in China.

Instead of thinking about it like a 'Orwellian State' - think of it more like an Orwellian State that could go 'off' at anytime.

Note that citizens are concerned about their prosperity - as long as growth is happening and money comes in - they are content.

But they are also ultra nationalist and ultra ethnocentric to the point where it's quite easy for the CCP or leadership to simply blame 'Western Imperialism / Chauvinism' for any perceived slight against China including legitimate concerns.

There will not be any protests in China about Hong Kong or forced labour. It will be about corruption, property rights, jobs etc..

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by xwolfi »

andy_ppp wrote: post #11

I think we should stop using China for cheap Labour in general given how hostile their government are becoming. Where possible I try to buy Taiwanese, Korean and Japanese electronics.

If we can't employ Xinjian people anymore, what do you propose we do with them ?

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by Taniwha »

1cvmask wrote: post #5

Should we demand that companies avoid California suppliers as well because of the extensive use of prison labor: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-10-11/californ... https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/policing/2020/11/11/c... https://www.freedomunited.org/news/forced-prison-labor-in-ca...

Well the US constitution explicitly allows slavery in this particular case, why not?
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