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Re: Skillsoft Buys Codecademy for $525M

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I learned the very basics to become a developer from Codeacademy. Back in 2015 I was a front line support technician at a small hardware startup who did Codeacademy in my free time, which was considerable. My first daughter had just been born and that really gave me motivation to learn and achieve my full potential. My boss was the only software engineer at our company and so was often overloaded with work, so he gav…

100%. I met an AWS architect who told me his story of learning to code. He was a cab driver who took a software executive home one night and on the drive asked the guy what he did. He said he ran software teams/products and the taxi driver got some advice on how to move industries. The executive said check out a coding bootcamp. The taxi driver did, saw the cost, and decided he would learn on his own. He basically pu…

I think most of us 'old' people taught ourselves and I'm certainly not special. It just takes an interest in whatever you're doing. Before the Internet we had the manual to read, and that's about it.

With the Internet, it's real easy to lose focus and bounce around between topics.

Re: Skillsoft Buys Codecademy for $525M

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I signed up for Codeacademy, apparently, a long time ago to check it out. I say apparently because I have 0 recollection of ever using the platform. However, Codeacademy became incredibly spammy with their emails and reminded me of their existence.

In the recent weeks, I started getting 2-3 marketing emails a week. I got angry and deleted my account. This posed an interesting experience:

1. To prove it was me who requested the account deletion, I had to sign out and sign back in.

2. Upon signing out and signing back in, I navigated back through the menus to delete my account.

3. I discovered I had to prove that it was me who is requesting to delete the account by signing out and signing back in.

This was an infuriating infinite loop. After browsing through the forums, I figured out the problem was that I hadn't signed in for so long that my password was probably expired. So, I changed my password and viola, I could delete my account.

With my account deleted, I happily went on my marry way.

Next day, a Codeacademy marketing email arrived. I was absolutely furious. Turns out they retain your email for marketing purposes even after you delete your account. So, I issued a GDPR request and finally, the emails stopped.

Codeacademy, I ask you from the bottom of my heart,

What. The. Fuck?

Re: Skillsoft Buys Codecademy for $525M

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Co-Founder and CEO here. We started Codecademy and launched on HN 10 years ago. I'm so thankful to this community for helping us to get started and to see up the momentum! We're committed to making sure that the product stays as great as the one you've used for years (and gets even better!).

It actually turned my life around. I was in school and wasn't feeling challenged, but we had a web design class by a shaggy haired, bearded metalhead in his 50s who did it as a part time job, he started his career with punch cards, had seen just about everything. I was a depressed kid in a poor area and no parents, I didn't really have the attention span for learning to program the classic way so I loved what I learned from Codecademy, it was really engaging.

I got an internship at the guy's old company and dropped out of school shortly after to work there full time, since then I've done so many things, moved to the US to work for Microsoft, built some really cool software, worked at all these places I couldn't even imagine 10 years ago. It's crazy to think that it all started in a small classroom going through Codecademy, I don't think anything else would've captured my interest in the way your website did. Thank you.

Re: Skillsoft Buys Codecademy for $525M

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With each new opportunity to learn to code without the expense of a four-year degree in Computer Science, don't we reach a point at which either: 1) The four-year degree in CS is actually seen as something of a negative indicator 2) We acknowledge the silent part out loud, e.g. "the college degree is a signal, not a delivery mechanism for professional skills." ?

I'm saddened that we're comparing a degree in CS to a subscription to Codecademy. I am curious if you've gotten a degree yourself, and whether that degree was from a reputable school. My CS degree is one of my proudest and most difficult accomplishments in my life. The difference in someone with a 4 year CS degree and a bootcamp graduate is jarringly apparent and one that I have uncomfortable experience with. My foll…

Funny how people without aeronautics degrees built first rockets. Degree is just a paper that certifies you. There are many people i know that acquired more knowledge outside than their classes. Don’t compare graduates with people fresh out of boot camp. There are people who never stop learning after boot camp, they build skills over time and can even surpass “degree” holders. But like i said, if that paper certifies and allows you to become lawyer great, but that doesn’t mean a person who spent 4 years studying law is any different.

Re: Skillsoft Buys Codecademy for $525M

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

100%. I met an AWS architect who told me his story of learning to code. He was a cab driver who took a software executive home one night and on the drive asked the guy what he did. He said he ran software teams/products and the taxi driver got some advice on how to move industries. The executive said check out a coding bootcamp. The taxi driver did, saw the cost, and decided he would learn on his own. He basically pu…

> Obviously this individual was special and most people wouldnt be able to teach themselves how to code entirely on their own I'd disagree. Sure online learning tools such as CodeAcademy and free videos on YouTube are useful and can provide a great leg up. But I know quite a few folks who pivoted their careers from non-programming jobs back in the 90's and none of these learning aids were available. We just used book…

> I don't think it takes a "special individual", it just takes a bit of willpower and attention.

Self-studying from scratch to the level where you're a valuable hire requires falling in love with the work. I don't think anybody has the willpower to work through, think through and internalize all the stuff we work with daily if they don't find it at least a bit fun, and a lot of people don't. It does take a "special" individual, though not in the sense that they're better than anyone else.

Re: Skillsoft Buys Codecademy for $525M

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post #13

Co-Founder and CEO here. We started Codecademy and launched on HN 10 years ago. I'm so thankful to this community for helping us to get started and to see up the momentum! We're committed to making sure that the product stays as great as the one you've used for years (and gets even better!).

I taught myself Python using Codecadamy in 2010 and I've since increased my salary 720%. Wanted to just say thank you for all of your team's efforts that touched so many lives like my own.

Seconded, would love to hear your story! I too learned python with a little help from CA but I'm struggling to find the right niche.

Re: Skillsoft Buys Codecademy for $525M

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I taught myself Python using Codecadamy in 2010 and I've since increased my salary 720%. Wanted to just say thank you for all of your team's efforts that touched so many lives like my own.

Seconded, would love to hear your story! I too learned python with a little help from CA but I'm struggling to find the right niche.

I started out as a sysadmin for a tiny software company and I was barely doing any automation. I started to realize through forums, etc that I needed to get into this scripting thing if I didn't want to be drowning in work so I was fiddling with batch/powershell stuff for the Windows servers. However, I was stuck on the few Linux boxes so I started poking around for what language I should learn for that and landed on Python. Spent a bunch of time going through the CA course and got fairly comfortable with the language but still hadn't really done anything with it.

I always wanted to work for a big company so I managed to land a role at a large network provider and when they found out I was interested in scripting they dubbed me the automation guy so I started writing a huge python/expect script that could do automated troubleshooting on these vendor systems that previously could only be navigated with SSH commands. Basically I truly learned Python doing this along with reading "Fluent Python" cover to cover. I recall days of frustration chasing bugs when I finally tracked it down to copying variables from lists without doing deepcopy() and having them modified later. My coworkers complained about speed to load data so I had to learn about multithreading and GIL so I could lazy load data. Then an old coworker reached out about a snazzy new startup so I went there to do this newfangled DevOps thing.

The DevOps role is where I was forced to round out my overall language awareness (not exactly learning the languages) so I could help manage the CI/CD pipelines and supporting infrastructure. For example, I had to learn that C# was compiled and developer machines were special snowflakes that compiled things differently. Days of frustration digging into to "compiles on my machine, your TeamCity is broke" type stuff. I had to use a lot of my sysadmin knowledge to prep machine images and do VMWare bootstrapping stuff which requires some healthy scripting. I was one of a few Linux guys so I was dubbed Hadoop dude (bought an O'Reily Hadoop book and read cover to cover) and my python scripting came in handy here plus had to buff up on bash. Started getting frustrated with the dynamic nature of Python and not being able to hand a script off to someone and expect it to work on their machine so I did some googling and learned that I needed to learn a compiled language. Golang sounded cool so I started teaching myself this. Startup life was getting to be a drag so I took an opportunity and another massive corporation doing Cloud stuff (new hotness, right?).

Massive Corporation was trying to govern triple digit AWS accounts with a newly hired team of 4 people--what could go wrong? The only way to be successful at this is to code automation. At this point I had to live and breath Golang/Python/AWS-SDK to survive. At this point I was being nudged into taking a people manager role and I'd been around the block enough to know in my bones that bad leadership was the source of a lot of engineer frustration so I felt obligated to at least try it. Now I'm pretty much full time leader and haven't coded anything in about a year but my job now is to spot talent, call BS, and nip bad ideas/programs in the bud.

I can't tell you how many stupid, pointless technologies I dug into and then fixed that provided no immediate benefit whatsoever but I learned to spot patterns which is invaluable. For example, I screwed around with Artifactory as a result of left-pad-gate [1] at DevOps job and got a working system together so now at massive corporation I'm helping some teams learn basics of artifact management even though it's not really part of my job. All of these experiences add up to value for a technology company.

I learned most of my skills from making the "mistake" of curiously trying to help someone fix something and then ending up three days later at 2AM writing some script and thinking to myself "What the hell was I thinking?" but it's always provided more value for me than them in the end.

None of this would be possible if I didn't live in the trenches and absorb systems into my bones via programming. Best advice I can give is to be curious, then be helpful, and then be stubborn. Throw in a few dashes of RDD [2] for self-preservation.

[1] - https://medium.com/quid-pro-quo/what-should-we-learn-from-th... [2] - http://radar.oreilly.com/2014/10/resume-driven-development.h...

Re: Skillsoft Buys Codecademy for $525M

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post #13

Co-Founder and CEO here. We started Codecademy and launched on HN 10 years ago. I'm so thankful to this community for helping us to get started and to see up the momentum! We're committed to making sure that the product stays as great as the one you've used for years (and gets even better!).

It was well played; it somehow helped me have supplements on my dev learnings. I do appreciate the work you guys put in.

Re: Skillsoft Buys Codecademy for $525M

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm saddened that we're comparing a degree in CS to a subscription to Codecademy. I am curious if you've gotten a degree yourself, and whether that degree was from a reputable school. My CS degree is one of my proudest and most difficult accomplishments in my life. The difference in someone with a 4 year CS degree and a bootcamp graduate is jarringly apparent and one that I have uncomfortable experience with. My foll…

Funny how people without aeronautics degrees built first rockets. Degree is just a paper that certifies you. There are many people i know that acquired more knowledge outside than their classes. Don’t compare graduates with people fresh out of boot camp. There are people who never stop learning after boot camp, they build skills over time and can even surpass “degree” holders. But like i said, if that paper certifies…

> "Funny how people without aeronautics degrees built first rockets."

Goddard and von Braun both had a PhD in Physics. Yeah, funny, isn't it?

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