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Russian Invasion of Ukraine Is ‘Almost Certain,' Cyber Expert Says

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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine Is ‘Almost Certain,' Cyber Expert Says

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Post by GekkePrutser »

bellyfullofbac wrote: post #14
_abox wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crowdstrike is one the best and most expensive EDR systems on the market. I doubt he'd put their name in jeopardy with misinformation. Personally as a European I wouldn't mind if Eastern Ukraine (Donbas in particular) rejoins Russia. The people in the region sure want it, and that's what freedom is about, making your own choices. If they don't it'll be an unstable area of insurgency for decades anyway. It's been a wa…

> I don't really understand why they view us and NATO as such a t[h]reat. We'd never invade Russia.. Nobody would ever want to. I guess it's a paranoia which he's supported with cherry-picked info from history. Someone else better has written that world politics is about who has the most influence, e.g. USA and Europe used to be able to decide almost everything everywhere ("we'll give you development loans, in return…

I don't think Russia would ever fall under our sphere of influence. Their media is much too tightly controlled and Russia itself is pretty much the master of social media influencing.

But it's a very interesting insight, that he might think we play the game like he does. And I wouldn't rule out that the EU had a hand in the political changes in Ukraine. There's been some rumblings about it. Not sure if it's another misdirection campaign or real. And I know we don't have an unblemished history either.

Most of the population in Western Ukraine seems to be pro EU though. And I don't think that's a result of influencing.

Ps Thanks for pointing out the typo. I know the difference but it must have been auto correct, I'm on my mobile.

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine Is ‘Almost Certain,' Cyber Expert Says

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Post by Reichhardt »

D-Coder wrote: post #5

This is scary. What has dissuaded Putin from this kind of thing in the past (if anything)?

A more confident America and Europe.

Keep in mind that Russia has a history of corrupting Western politicians, on a strategic and multi-decade basis, for example Gerhard Shroder, ex-Chancellor of Germany. He initiated the nuclear shutdown, and now serves as Chairman of Rosneft:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/gerhard-schr%C3...

The message to Europe is presumably: intervene in Ukraine this time, and we'll completely shut off your Winter gas.

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine Is ‘Almost Certain,' Cyber Expert Says

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Post by yucky »

disabled wrote: post #10
null4bl3 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Radio Free Europe is a CIA funded propaganda outlet. No different than RT.

Russia Today (RT) has been sanctioned as a propaganda service by international journalism organisations for years. Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty does not have this reputation unlike Russia Today.

Who have these international journalism organizations identified as US propaganda services?

If they have not made those distinctions about US funded propaganda outlets, is that because they don't exist? Or because those international journalism organizations can't be trusted to call balls and strikes?

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine Is ‘Almost Certain,' Cyber Expert Says

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Post by PhantomGremlin »

The biggest thing that puzzles me about this (and about many recent geopolitical events) is the elephant in the room. Nobody mentions it:

   The United Nations
Why isn't this issue being discussed there, prominently?

If it's not possible to even discuss the behavior of the 5 permanent Security Council members (5 of the most powerful countries in the world), then screw it! Let's just get rid of the UN entirely.

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine Is ‘Almost Certain,' Cyber Expert Says

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Post by r721 »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #18
pomdapi wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However I have no political stake in this and it's just what I read. Sorry about my tone earlier. It was uncalled for. I edited my comment. > Wikipedia page also mentions it: The "talk" section of the page shows vigorous exchanges, as various editors are constantly fighting to erase or put back that part of the story. As the whole case was central to the fight around Trump being an orange but also Russian menace fo…

I understand. I had no idea how heavily this was politicized. For us the DNC thing was just in the news when it happened and quickly overwhelmed by other news in that period. Thanks for the links, I don't have time now but I'll read them in the days to come. I want to know more about this case. Especially because we use the product at work.

>Thanks for the links

Aaron Mate is a heavily pro-Kremlin voice, so it's not like those were very good sources, just an opinion of a quite biased journalist.

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine Is ‘Almost Certain,' Cyber Expert Says

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Post by sschueller »

mercy_dude wrote: post #3

How much of this is Washington’s drumming for defence contractors to get rich? And if Russia does invade Ukraine, why do we care? Specifically as a US citizen how does it affect me? Honest question. I either don’t understand geopolitics or there is something seriously wrong with our government and media trying to get us into pointless conflict.

It's about nordstream 2. The US doesn't want it to be finished and I am quite sure it will end up as part of new sanctions against Russia after a small incident on the border.

I agree with you, having the US in play and the US president negotiating is out of place.

Imagine the US was building up troops at the Mexican border and Russia was objecting saying the US will invade Tijuana. They have done it before with New Mexico. Putin would be meeting with the US president instead of the Mexican president. At the same time Germany would be objecting to the new pipeline Mexico is building to Canada and even have people in the parlement trying to force a vote on it (some people in the US congress wanted to vote on nordstream 2, wtf)

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine Is ‘Almost Certain,' Cyber Expert Says

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Post by sschueller »

Reichhardt wrote: post #22
D-Coder wrote: post #5

This is scary. What has dissuaded Putin from this kind of thing in the past (if anything)?

A more confident America and Europe. Keep in mind that Russia has a history of corrupting Western politicians, on a strategic and multi-decade basis, for example Gerhard Shroder, ex-Chancellor of Germany. He initiated the nuclear shutdown, and now serves as Chairman of Rosneft: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/gerhard-schr%C3... The message to Europe is presumably: intervene in Ukraine this time, and we'l…

That makes no sense. Russia is building a pipeline directly to Germany and the ones opposed to it is the US.

Russia doesn't want to support the Ukraine with gas but it want to sell it to Europe.

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine Is ‘Almost Certain,' Cyber Expert Says

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Post by sschueller »

_abox wrote: post #9
mercy_dude wrote: post #3

How much of this is Washington’s drumming for defence contractors to get rich? And if Russia does invade Ukraine, why do we care? Specifically as a US citizen how does it affect me? Honest question. I either don’t understand geopolitics or there is something seriously wrong with our government and media trying to get us into pointless conflict.

Crowdstrike is one the best and most expensive EDR systems on the market. I doubt he'd put their name in jeopardy with misinformation. Personally as a European I wouldn't mind if Eastern Ukraine (Donbas in particular) rejoins Russia. The people in the region sure want it, and that's what freedom is about, making your own choices. If they don't it'll be an unstable area of insurgency for decades anyway. It's been a wa…

Even if you ignore that it's always Crowdstrike when it comes to Russians or that one the founder seems to have a personal vendetta against Putin, Crowdstrike is too large and to close the US government to be trusted.

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine Is ‘Almost Certain,' Cyber Expert Says

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Post by Reichhardt »

sschueller wrote: post #27
Reichhardt wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A more confident America and Europe. Keep in mind that Russia has a history of corrupting Western politicians, on a strategic and multi-decade basis, for example Gerhard Shroder, ex-Chancellor of Germany. He initiated the nuclear shutdown, and now serves as Chairman of Rosneft: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/gerhard-schr%C3... The message to Europe is presumably: intervene in Ukraine this time, and we'l…

That makes no sense. Russia is building a pipeline directly to Germany and the ones opposed to it is the US. Russia doesn't want to support the Ukraine with gas but it want to sell it to Europe.

The purpose of the pipeline is precisely to bypass Ukraine and connect into Germany directly. That way Russia can declare war on Ukraine whilst gas connectivity is maintained. Nordstream also avoids going through Polish territory.

Its basically the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact all over again.

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine Is ‘Almost Certain,' Cyber Expert Says

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Post by PhantomGremlin »

sschueller wrote: post #26
mercy_dude wrote: post #3

How much of this is Washington’s drumming for defence contractors to get rich? And if Russia does invade Ukraine, why do we care? Specifically as a US citizen how does it affect me? Honest question. I either don’t understand geopolitics or there is something seriously wrong with our government and media trying to get us into pointless conflict.

It's about nordstream 2. The US doesn't want it to be finished and I am quite sure it will end up as part of new sanctions against Russia after a small incident on the border. I agree with you, having the US in play and the US president negotiating is out of place. Imagine the US was building up troops at the Mexican border and Russia was objecting saying the US will invade Tijuana. They have done it before with New…

They have done it before with New Mexico.

Talk about grasping at straws. The Mexican-American War ended in 1848, and the USA bought the rest of New Mexico in 1854.

Maybe we should discuss instead when Joe Stalin starved millions of Ukrainians to death in the Holodomor[1]. Or maybe that was just an "internal matter"? Or perhaps just Western propaganda?

There is quite the history of wrongdoing by all countries since 1854.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

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