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Buying Influence: How China manipulates Facebook and Twitter

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Post by jjcc »

AzzieElbab wrote: post #274
raimundjoss wrote: post #33

So much of social media pre-supposes that no entity would spend the kinda money to influence an issue. They didn't take a state with limited resources into account.

There is plenty of material published by NYT that is very much on par with what they are criticizing social media for.

Just a coincidence that I watched a video today that claimed NYT implied a Youtube vlogger must be paid by CPP. Here's his response https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvvj_3QMGAM&t=234s

I would not say NYT publishes propaganda. They just truly believe their own opinion based on some ideology framework but confused their opinions with solid facts. So they see anything not align with their belief as a propaganda. In other words they seem to be against propaganda.

It's a meta-dishonest which is worse than dishonest which is a form of honest dishonest because many people trust meta-dishonest journalist. There are a lot of such kind of MSM journalists. Don Lemon for example.

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I literally wrote: "CCP is bad in different way than any other political organizations." When did I say they are the same as US government?

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seibelj wrote: post #382
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I literally wrote: "CCP is bad in different way than any other political organizations." When did I say they are the same as US government?

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Post by star-trek-fleet »

mthoms wrote: post #340
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> do you discuss how millions of Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang province were (are?) detained in concentration camps [0] We discuss that. That was viewed as a western media propaganda. I.e., no hard proof from any reputable organizations (UN for example). > All that is needed is a search engine on top of indexed WeChat message I know far worse things the local government did using their information monopoly. You don't ne…

>We discuss that. That was viewed as a western media propaganda. I.e., no hard proof from any reputable organizations (UN for example). United Nations statement titled "China: UN experts deeply concerned by alleged detention, forced labour of Uyghurs" https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?N... Statement from 43 countries presented at UN "Joint statement on human rights situation in Xinjiang at 47…

I have friends visiting Xinjiang and talked with local people, Uyghur and non Uyghurs. There is no evidence that supports the 1M number. You can watch a lot of YouTube video of people visiting Xinjiang and the local people. Make your own judgement.

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Post by post_from_work »

lovecg wrote: post #199
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On a related note, we have here in the US a sudden wave of "culture revolution 3.0" with its proponents using the very same tactics. It's well known that Xi is preparing to enter the chip manufacturing business in 10 years, and since US is the only real opponent, Xi wisely chose to disarm us with the adapted version of "culture revolution". For this reason, I believe, he'll massively increase investments in pushing t…

> On a related note, we have here in the US a sudden wave of "culture revolution 3.0" with its proponents using the very same tactics What on Earth are you talking about?

Watch this interview with Yuri Bezmenov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOmXiapfCs8

Then think about all the "Culture War" problems we are dealing with in American for the past ~10 years.

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Post by forgotmyoldname »

freewilly1040 wrote: post #375
forgotmyoldname wrote: post #362

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A few hours in some towns were more than enough to make it very clear that I'd never want to go there ever again. It's weird how people come out and complain about this with only one specific country. Nobody gets angry when they say a trip to somewhere else was enough to make them enjoy a place.

The parent comment isn’t saying the food is bad or that they don’t like the buildings. They are making a human rights critique. A few days seeing the sights is pretty irrelevant at best in this context.

I mean, I've also got friends there and speak the language to some extent now. It's not like I walked in on some sanitized tour for a day and left.

The country has problems. But it's not a prison camp of 1.4 billion like the internet would make you think. Most people are pretty happy living there, even people who've been to other countries.

It's definitely not a good place to be a political or religious activist. Most countries outside of the EU aren't and China is definitely on the worse end when it comes to that issue, but it's pretty nice for most people.

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Post by post_from_work »

yeetman21 wrote: post #370
throw10920 wrote: post #201

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> usually the US is doing something more exceptional and extreme than the demonstrated behavior Actually, it's almost always the opposite. CCP requiring Chinese companies to hand over all user data unencrypted > USG occasionally sending NSLs to specific companies for information on specific persons. CCP stealing IP from the US, EU, Japan, and other countries > ???. CCP Operation Fox Hunt[1] > ???. CCP police threaten…

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>>> CCP invading Taiwan for holding the former rulers of the country

>??????? Huh?

Technically kinda-true? The CCP tried, and failed, to invade Kinmen, which belongs to the Republic of China aka "Taiwan": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Guningtou

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