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Buying Influence: How China manipulates Facebook and Twitter

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Re: Buying Influence: How China manipulates Facebook and Twitter

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So much of social media pre-supposes that no entity would spend the kinda money to influence an issue. They didn't take a state with limited resources into account.

> They didn't take a state with limited resources into account.

Nit: UNlimited

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I used to think China was some North Korean-style hellscape and hated the country. Then I had a flight transfer through China and decided to take a couple days there just to see how bad it was. Ended up realizing most internet comments and news articles are posted by people who are absolutely obsessed with China and only get their information through seventh-hand sources--it's that insanely distorted. Left loving the…

> Then I had a flight transfer through China and decided to take a couple days there just to see how bad it was. Right because a couple of days (I'll presume in a city) would also give you a real insight to how things really are.

A few hours in some towns were more than enough to make it very clear that I'd never want to go there ever again.

It's weird how people come out and complain about this with only one specific country. Nobody gets angry when they say a trip to somewhere else was enough to make them enjoy a place.

Re: Buying Influence: How China manipulates Facebook and Twitter

#363

So much of social media pre-supposes that no entity would spend the kinda money to influence an issue. They didn't take a state with limited resources into account.

Literally all traditional media are like that, yet for some reason it is normalized and few people care.

Re: Buying Influence: How China manipulates Facebook and Twitter

#364

So much of social media pre-supposes that no entity would spend the kinda money to influence an issue. They didn't take a state with limited resources into account.

> They didn't take a state with limited resources into account. Nit: UNlimited

Nit: The resources of a state are limited. My first take is that this is an intentional and humorous play on words.

Re: Buying Influence: How China manipulates Facebook and Twitter

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So much of social media pre-supposes that no entity would spend the kinda money to influence an issue. They didn't take a state with limited resources into account.

That's funny, recently there was an article about the magician Teller explaining the foundational rules of magic and illusions. And one of the first secrets is spending a lot of time, effort, or other resources on a method is a good way to fool people.

Re: Buying Influence: How China manipulates Facebook and Twitter

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Doesn't the US broadcast regime change propaganda into the country via Radio Free Asia / Radio Free Liberty etc?

> Whataboutism or whataboutery (as in "what about…?") is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy, which attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving the argument https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

I never understood why it would be considered a fallacy.

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> usually the US is doing something more exceptional and extreme than the demonstrated behavior Actually, it's almost always the opposite. CCP requiring Chinese companies to hand over all user data unencrypted > USG occasionally sending NSLs to specific companies for information on specific persons. CCP stealing IP from the US, EU, Japan, and other countries > ???. CCP Operation Fox Hunt[1] > ???. CCP police threaten…

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Re: Buying Influence: How China manipulates Facebook and Twitter

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So where exactly do you draw the line between "whataboutism" and asserting similarities?

The point is that if you disagree, counter the argument. Asserting similarities does not counter the argument. If I say: "Bob is bad because he steals apples." Saying "But you also steal apples!" does not counter the argument at all. It's changing the subject.

It counters the isolated demand for rigor and calls for consistency in application of moral principles.

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The American media is attempting to frame China as worth of fighting over Taiwan by demarcating it as exceptionally evil by demonstrating that it does things that no acceptable country would do. Unfortunately for that argument, usually the US is doing something more exceptional and extreme than the demonstrated behavior.

> usually the US is doing something more exceptional and extreme than the demonstrated behavior Actually, it's almost always the opposite. CCP requiring Chinese companies to hand over all user data unencrypted > USG occasionally sending NSLs to specific companies for information on specific persons. CCP stealing IP from the US, EU, Japan, and other countries > ???. CCP Operation Fox Hunt[1] > ???. CCP police threaten…

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