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UBC bans non-minority candidates from applying for tenure-track quantum position

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The objective way to identify gay men is to ask if they have slept with gay men over a certain period. The gov. actually do this in some cases i.e. when donating blood and on some other surveys for research. Of course, you can be gay and celibate, for all intents and purposes (or can you? That's another question) ... ... but we do have a set of objective behaviours for what constitutes being gay. With Nonbinary trans…

> The objective way to identify gay men is to ask if they have slept with gay men over a certain period. So what's the objective time period? And if a gay man has an unlucky streak for that length of time, do they auto default back to straight? What about bi or pan people? If someone identified as bisexual but you have only ever seen them in relationships with the opposite gender, can you reasonably say "you're actua…

"The idea of objective metrics for social categories falls apart under the slightest scrutiny"

This is definitely false, even from the most socially progressive perspective.

That some categories are not perfectly defined, that we don't always agree, that some are 'self-defined', and that definitions can overlap - does not mean that those objective definitions do not exist.

This "There is no Black or White because there are Infinite Shades of Grey" is not reasoning, it's just postmodern rabbit-hole rhetoric.

Whoever you are, you categorize all day, every day.

Literally when you walk out the door you are making concrete, objective assertions about all sorts of categories, including, and especially gender.

You're a living breathing counter-example to your own argument.

I understand perfectly well the current Western ideology around 'Gender and Sex' so you can save the ad hominem.

Gender is so deeply and broadly rooted in human culture across cultures and time, that it almost doesn't matter how we want to argue about in 2021 in North America, because time will prevail and leave these arguments in the dust.

People will generally accept Katlyn Jenner and frankly, accept her moderate views on Transgenderism, but people will never accept the opposite of gender essentialism i.e. 'Gender is a Pure Construct' without overwhelming thought programming.

Those fighting for the 'Gender Is a Construct Absolutism' are like Violent Angry Puritans trying to stop people from consuming alcohol, a few battles may be won here and there, and they may be able to keep people in their cult with a lot of constant programming, but the war will definitely be lost eventually.

That said, we may be in for a pretty nutty ride for a couple of decades as the Justice System rolls over itself trying to cope.

Re: UBC bans non-minority candidates from applying for tenure-track quantum position

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Explain like I'm 5?

Are you a biological woman that enjoys hunting? Two-Spirit. Are you a biological man that enjoys maintaining a household? Two-Spirit. It is an indigenous cultural construct for allowing variation in gender constructs.

So tomboys get special treatment?

Re: UBC bans non-minority candidates from applying for tenure-track quantum position

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Codified racism, plain and simple.

Not racism because it doesn't apply to race minorities only, but also disabilities, sexual orientations, or simply women (which aren't even a minority), but I can still understand that some might find it disturbing.

You're correct, I should have said codified bigotry.

Re: UBC bans non-minority candidates from applying for tenure-track quantum position

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I wonder. Can this position go to a person of East Asian descent? So that is to say, in the geographical area of UBC, the demographics being what they are, does that count as a "racialized minority"? Or, never mind that, how about in consideration of the existing high representation of that group in STEM fields? If they mean "non-white OK", they should write that, otherwise someone of East Asian descent has no idea w…

> Can this position go to a person of East Asian descent?

Sure, women can apply and get the role, I'm almost certain an east (or maybe south?) asian female will get this position given the demographics of talent available in that field.

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> The objective way to identify gay men is to ask if they have slept with gay men over a certain period. So what's the objective time period? And if a gay man has an unlucky streak for that length of time, do they auto default back to straight? What about bi or pan people? If someone identified as bisexual but you have only ever seen them in relationships with the opposite gender, can you reasonably say "you're actua…

"The idea of objective metrics for social categories falls apart under the slightest scrutiny" This is definitely false, even from the most socially progressive perspective. That some categories are not perfectly defined, that we don't always agree, that some are 'self-defined', and that definitions can overlap - does not mean that those objective definitions do not exist. This "There is no Black or White because the…

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Re: UBC bans non-minority candidates from applying for tenure-track quantum position

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I wonder. Can this position go to a person of East Asian descent? So that is to say, in the geographical area of UBC, the demographics being what they are, does that count as a "racialized minority"? Or, never mind that, how about in consideration of the existing high representation of that group in STEM fields? If they mean "non-white OK", they should write that, otherwise someone of East Asian descent has no idea w…

> Can this position go to a person of East Asian descent? Sure, women can apply and get the role, I'm almost certain an east (or maybe south?) asian female will get this position given the demographics of talent available in that field.

Of course, I'm referring to a person who is not eligible in the other minority categories; someone who can only play the race card.

I do not intend to pose a puzzle question in which a logical short-cut provides a correct answer based on nothing but the syntax of the question and trivial surrounding information.

Re: UBC bans non-minority candidates from applying for tenure-track quantum position

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Is there an objective way for the government to identify gay people that isn't based on self identification? If a gay man's rights are being violated on a protected basis, does the court refuse to hear the case until he has sex with another man in front of the judge and jury? Self identification is entirely how social categories function. Postmodernism isn't prescriptive, it's descriptive - it describes how things al…

I think that's his point, that an institution is discriminating in such a way as allows the people ostensibly being excluded to use the discrimination to rebel against slash punish the institution for the discrimination.

I'm not worried about someone 'punishing the system'.

My point is that there's an obvious legal and moral conundrum with identities that are entirely self applied, which is made evident by someone making a claim to said identities and being rejected of those claims.

Try it: Identify as Two Spirit, get rejected, sue on the basis of discrimination that UBC would not recognize your (completely arbitrary) claims to Two Spirit.

Then force them to make the argument, in court.

It'd be impossible other than to demonstrate the absurdity of the reasoning:

"I define myself as this kind of gender, which is my right, therefore I deserve this privilege"

"But that person over there cannot define themselves as this kind of gender, because their ancestors are from a different continent"

It's Monty Python all the way down the rabbit hole.

Re: UBC bans non-minority candidates from applying for tenure-track quantum position

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Are you a biological woman that enjoys hunting? Two-Spirit. Are you a biological man that enjoys maintaining a household? Two-Spirit. It is an indigenous cultural construct for allowing variation in gender constructs.

So tomboys get special treatment?

that was just a simplified example. they're basically saying you don't need gender dysmorphia to occassionally act like another gender because the genders aren't binary to begin with. something more easily acceptable in a culture that never adopted the binary concept.

its more analogous to nonbinary. the rest of us that care to validate this just say nonbinary. the people that aren't trying to take hormones to pass as a different gender, but wish to be called "they" anyway

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Any other examples of discrimination are also bad. How is this hard dude.

I have worked in academia as a minority. To do so is to face constant exposure to discrimination on almost every front. Honestly, I believe the entire concept of higher education needs a radical change and that projects like Khan Academy will lead the way. Within the context of academia, though, I don't have any particular problem with small changes applied at a national level to try and address the systemic discrimi…

I dont think discrimination solves discrimination

Re: UBC bans non-minority candidates from applying for tenure-track quantum position

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So does that change what the site says? Does that change the requirements for the position?

Glad this got flagged off. What a disaster this entire thread is.

I am happy to burn some karma calling out this behavior.
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