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Buying Influence: How China manipulates Facebook and Twitter

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Post by skavi »

chroem- wrote: post #80
hutzlibu wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not read anything, close of a statement "cambodian genocide is just us propaganda" What I read is: "What filters through to the American public is a seriously distorted version of the evidence available, emphasizing alleged Khmer Rouge atrocities and downplaying or ignoring the crucial U.S. role, direct and indirect, in the torment that Cambodia has suffered" a much more nuanced statement.

Are we reading the same quote? He is calling reporting about the genocide propaganda.

the best propaganda is the correct truth, no?

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Post by nebula8804 »

adamsb6 wrote: post #178
88840-8855 wrote: post #151

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"EVERYONE IS BRAINWASHED EXCEPT OF US BLESSED AMERICANS" F15 flyover bombing of some random civilians cool individualism that was build on exploitation of the planet and the 90% of the world KEK, sustainable, mate. China workd. I lived there for years and people were happier than here in Germany. I am just sooooooo sick and tired of those anti-China sentiment here in HN. EVERY SINGLE TIME a china article is posted, y…

Agreed, there's a lot of unthinking Sinophobia. I wish we had visa-less travel so more people could visit and see that it's not a scary place. It's a different system for sure, and you can be jailed for saying certain things, but that's true for almost everywhere except America. Germany jails holocaust deniers.

At least for Americans, I don't think many can afford to travel and those who do probably have considered visiting or have visited. Only ~1/3 of Americans have a valid passport. I assume part of it is due to the US itself being so vast and diverse that you can really explore this country and probably be content but also that ~51% of Americans have less than three months of emergency savings. Combine this with no legal mandated days off and its not looking good for a lot of the country.

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Post by manuel_w »

baybal2 wrote: post #109
gentleman11 wrote: post #21

Imagine living somewhere like China and not liking it. It would be hellish, you couldn’t even talk about it without a police visit or your boss passing trouble along to you. A giant human spirit grinder

Most people going to China to make money don't come there wearing pink glasses. It's a Faustian bargain. Eat your soul for money, and an opportunity to run a factory without being sued by everybody on the day 1. The remaining minority is unfortunately a big problem, and higher up on the status ladder the bigger. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/china-s-president-... Such people come with real delusions. Eith…

> that they think they will trick communists, people who grew giving their whole lives to intrigue

Please don't do that here.

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Post by CorrectHorseBat »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #247
CorrectHorseBat wrote: post #228

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The "w" sound is in the u, so unless you also write "an western movie" a wumao is correct.

What are you talking about?

Wuhan starts with the same (or at least something very similar and indistinguishable to me) semivowel as the English word west.

Pinyin w + ang is ∅ + uang. Either way there's a w sound in there.

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Post by ska »

raimundjoss wrote: post #33

So much of social media pre-supposes that no entity would spend the kinda money to influence an issue. They didn't take a state with limited resources into account.

Forget state level resources, plenty of distortion is created by corporations or other much smaller interests with relatively modest resources. I wouldn't' be at all surprised if this were the source of majority of manipulation in practice.

Assuming anything on social media is "untainted" is pretty naive, it seems.

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Post by simonh »

nebula8804 wrote: post #256
chunghuaming wrote: post #237

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Being a Chinese citizen right now means: - You cannot travel abroad (no passport for average citizens, except for those that study/work abroad) - You cannot go beyond China's intranet - You cannot transfer money out of country legally, pretty soon can't invest in other countries's stocks - You cannot watch Spiderman, BTS, squid games, porn and many many more things legally - You have very little rights as LGBT - You…

>You cannot travel abroad (no passport for average citizens, except for those that study/work abroad) Really? What accounts for all the Chinese tourists visiting Europe/UK/USA? I have a friend who runs a hostel in Edinburgh and the majority of her guests are Chinese so much so that they have had to print signs in Mandarin asking people to abide by certain rules. >You cannot transfer money out of country legally, pret…

The policy changed pretty recently, a friend of mine married to a Chinese citizen, and has been living there for almost a decade. They left in 2019 because the attitude to foreigners working in China, and Chinese going abroad has undergone a sea change. There are strict controls on capital flows, it's much harder to get work or visit visas for Chinese going abroad, many Chinese working abroad have been put under pressure to go back. They left before him working there got untenable, and it got too hard for his wife to leave.

This has been masked over the last 2 years by the pandemic, but it started a few years before.

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Post by masterof0 »

chunghuaming wrote: post #237
Aunche wrote: post #103

Before you use this as an excuse to accuse the commenter you disagree with as being a Wumao, note that China's propaganda strategy serves to distract rather than directly engage, as they would rather minimize engagement. It's the same principle of "don't feed the trolls." Here's a Harvard paper that covers this topic more in depth, though it's about domestic propaganda: https://gking.harvard.edu/files/gking/files/50c…

Being a Chinese citizen right now means: - You cannot travel abroad (no passport for average citizens, except for those that study/work abroad) - You cannot go beyond China's intranet - You cannot transfer money out of country legally, pretty soon can't invest in other countries's stocks - You cannot watch Spiderman, BTS, squid games, porn and many many more things legally - You have very little rights as LGBT - You…

> You cannot transfer money out of country legally, pretty soon can't invest in other countries's stocks. Not true.

> You should not get rich (1/3 of billionaires have died or disappeared) Also not true. FuErDais are praise on TV, movies, etc... Crazy Rich Asians , the movie , was a huge hit in China for example, etc... Money and superficiality have always being huge in China (even to get married, you need to buy a house , a car, and give the girl's family money (CaiLi)). > You have to work 9-9-6. Which is why many citizens are lying flat Highly depends on where you work. But is not standarized, and there have been recently a huge push back from the goverment about this. > You cannot go beyond China's intranet Literally that's what VPNs are for, many chinese companies offer VPN services to mainland users, etc.

All other points are more or less right. Also, p*rn is illegal in most places. I wouldn't live there, but posting lies here wont help anyone.

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Post by dragonelite »

dragonwriter wrote: post #221
dragonelite wrote: post #218

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It just weird seeing how China's propaganda is so good that western nation went from positive and neutral toward China too wanting to sit on a throne of Chinese skulls.

China is good at internal propaganda (which, you know, repressing dissent makes easier), less so at external propaganda.

The US did the same thing with the January 6th movement. Where even family members snitched on each other.
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