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Same in Europe and Australasia but without the guns.
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> Have you watched any of the interviews conducted on the street in China on the Asian Boss YouTube channel? Why should anyone care about "man on the street" interviews on some Youtube channel? I mean, it's not like someone in a repressive country is going to open up with all their complaints about their repressive government to some rando with a camera. Plus, Youtube is easy to manipulate (in some ways) if you have…
True. But you also just made the assertion un-falsifiable.
How so? Even if a quiet dissident won't open up to some obnoxious youtuber creating content, they may express their true feelings in other ways. My main point is you have to be pretty careful with what you "learn" from Youtube, and "have you seen this rando youtuber" (with the implication they should change your mind) is not a very strong response.
Imagine living somewhere like China and not liking it. It would be hellish, you couldn’t even talk about it without a police visit or your boss passing trouble along to you. A giant human spirit grinder
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"If i could vote for the CCP here in germany, i would."
You could not vote for a system like that - if you did, you'd stop having a right to vote for a different system RIGHT after. 'nuff said.
It's unfathomable someone in 2021, that is not a Xi-paid troll (precisely what this article is about) would advocate for more authoritarian control, rather than less. The people you spoke to (including your farcical example) didn't exist or were fully brainwashed by propaganda. Again, IF they exist, THEIR PERSPECTIVE would have necessarily been skewed and manipulated by their internal propaganda, which is again, what this article is about.
China pretends to exist in a vacuum, but it does not. Many of its citizens and residents seem to, but they are wrong.
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whatboutism is whataboutism
So where exactly do you draw the line between "whataboutism" and asserting similarities?
Not every "let's look at what other countries do" is whataboutism. One-line "X does Y" almost always is. (Longer posts can also be, but the one-liner is a heavy signal.)
When something negative about China is posted: "Everyone does it!" When something negative about the US is posted: "Downfall of an empire!"
I don't think this is true. I think for most of HN's readership, China is the current Big Bad. There will be exceptions, like there always are for anything, but in general this will be true. The US is something to be criticized because many HN readers either live in the US or interact with US companies/tech. Critiquing what one knows is to be expected. But they do not consistently describe every action of an American…
I think the parent comment was referring to this comment section. If you scroll down and read the grayed-out comments, there are indeed quite a few people trying to argue that "everybody does it" as a way of downplaying this.
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“as long as my shit city in germany is planning a 10km subway line for 15 years already … while china is builing the best infrastructure in the world, i will prefer the chinese system.” And people wonder how Hitler came to power in Germany.
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This might be hard for you to believe, but there are a lot of people who have genuine and consistent empathy for needless suffering, no matter where it happens. You might not hear from us much online, because we often get crushed under the relentless cynicism your comment chillingly embodies.
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I agree that the platforms have too much market power... but astroturfed propaganda from a centralized authoritarian power requires a centralized defense; a true "open competitive marketplace" of ideas and discussion would have just as much astroturfing and more. I'm not arguing in favor of Facebook at all, shut them down and lock up Zuck, but I'm simply saying "careful what you wish for".
I agree entirely with you. Open competitive marketplace is definitely not an easy goal.