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Re: This Year in Matrix

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Post by 3np »

kuon wrote: post #10

I tried to adopt matrix for our small business and here is summary of my experience. - Synapse is very resource hungry even for a small server - Synapse creates a gazillion of TCP connection and keep them open, it was a real problem for my ISP router (SOHO router for 1gbit/s) and it took a very long time to debug, be sure to limit the number of TCP connection on the server - Synapse is hard to get a good idea of the…

> federation issues

> gazillion TCP connections

We’ve been running a Synapse server with quite a bit of federated rooms, even larger ones like you mention. Never noticed a single issue like this that I recall.

I wonder if the reason is that we’re doing whitelisting, instead of federation with everyone by default. The whitelisting is quite liberal; I’ll add a server as soon as I’m in a conversation thread with someone from that server, or just want to see their avatar. Sometimes when I’m waiting for something else I’ll just scroll through a room and add a handful of servers. Essentially this is my proxy for only federation with “legit” servers and avoid being DDoSed.

> there should be a server wide option to make it "easier but less secure"

Disagree. Sure, UX can be improved, but compromising here defeats the purpose of why we’re doing this in the first place.

Another one of mine:

- E2EE seems complex to implement and very few of the clients implement it fully and properly.

This is the one point I think needs to be resolved before Matrix can be ready for wider adoption. It’s kind of pointless without E2EE, or if Element is the only client that can work for all rooms and messages.

Re: This Year in Matrix

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Post by davidhyde »

> "Social Login via multiple SSO providers (MSC2858) - almost 50% of new registrations on the Matrix.org homeserver now use social login!" Interestingly the split of SSO usage is roughly 70% Google, 12% GitHub, 11% Apple, 6% Facebook and 1% GitLab.

Congrats to the matrix team, really great work. However, I'm a little confused by the excitement around "social login". Why is it such a great thing? Aren't you just giving someone else power to shut you out of Matrix? We hear so many stories about lives ruined because of arbitrary (often automated) account locking that I just don't understand why anyone would risk using social login at all.

Re: This Year in Matrix

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Post by teitoklien »

kuon wrote: post #10

I tried to adopt matrix for our small business and here is summary of my experience. - Synapse is very resource hungry even for a small server - Synapse creates a gazillion of TCP connection and keep them open, it was a real problem for my ISP router (SOHO router for 1gbit/s) and it took a very long time to debug, be sure to limit the number of TCP connection on the server - Synapse is hard to get a good idea of the…

Synapse is bloated and mostly good for very large organisations.

Use conduit.rs or dendrite. I use conduit and it takes a couple of MB ram even while I’m in large rooms

Re: This Year in Matrix

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Post by MayeulC »

2pEXgD0fZ5cF wrote: post #6

I have been using matrix for quite a while now, and managed to get the people I write the most with on it too! Back then I rented matrix hosting with modular.im (now called ems) once I noticed that I did use Riot/Element on a daily basis, and the latency of matrix.org servers was too big for my taste, combined with the lack of online status display. Now that dendrite is starting to finally mature, I will probably swi…

I think this scenario isn't handled too well, and I'm afraid servers that have seen your previous server will refuse to talk with it, and continue spamming the old address. Make sure to backup your server's private key so that you can properly leave rooms. It's usually better to leave all rooms prior to decommissioning a server, too, but I am not 100% sure it would prevent that issue.

Re: This Year in Matrix

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Post by jeroenhd »

2pEXgD0fZ5cF wrote: post #6

I have been using matrix for quite a while now, and managed to get the people I write the most with on it too! Back then I rented matrix hosting with modular.im (now called ems) once I noticed that I did use Riot/Element on a daily basis, and the latency of matrix.org servers was too big for my taste, combined with the lack of online status display. Now that dendrite is starting to finally mature, I will probably swi…

I believe federation recovery should be possible assuming you have access to the server's signing key. Without it, you'll probably run into conflicts.

You'll definitely have problems with missing rooms, missing user encryption, the lot of it. I think it should be possible to re-create and re-import signing keys onto a new server, but I wouldn't rely on it. You'll probably end up with broken clients for ages. You'll also definitely run into loads of clients 404ing on your server, trying to download media that no longer exists. Personally, if I'd lose access to my server, I'd just start over with a new domain and get my backups in order that time.

If you have backups you can recover, you can get everything up and running painlessly by pointing DNS to the new server and waiting for DNS propagation to finish.

As for moving between hosters, there's a tool for that: https://ems.element.io/tools/matrix-migration; it's a tool that'll invite your new account into every room your old account was part of, transfer profile pictures and such and optionally kick the old client from rooms after migrations. That'll only help if your new account is on a different server, though.

Re: This Year in Matrix

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Post by Arathorn »

davidhyde wrote: post #32

> "Social Login via multiple SSO providers (MSC2858) - almost 50% of new registrations on the Matrix.org homeserver now use social login!" Interestingly the split of SSO usage is roughly 70% Google, 12% GitHub, 11% Apple, 6% Facebook and 1% GitLab. Congrats to the matrix team, really great work. However, I'm a little confused by the excitement around "social login". Why is it such a great thing? Aren't you just givin…

The excitement purely comes from the fact it makes it way easier for casual users to try out Matrix (even at the expense of then being beholden to the SSO providers), and it forced us to dogfood and land first class SSO support :)

Re: This Year in Matrix

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Post by jeroenhd »

trumpablehump wrote: post #11

Can I use separate identities in the same Element instance yet? Especially with Spaces I feel like this is an obvious feature where it should be easy for people to protect their privacy by using different accounts for different hobbies or peer groups. I would love to finally be able to use my employer's chatrooms with my real name, the animal rights group with my one pseudonym and the techie chat with the other one.

Fluffychat allows multi-account logins on the same device, if that's what you're looking for. I haven't tested it myself, but it seems similar to the way the Gmail app operates with multiple accounts (you switch over to a new account and get content specifically for that account, rather than mixed rooms from different accounts all in one list).

In practice, though, I'd be impressed if you could even find three different circles that are all on Matrix. I haven't found many people who are willing to switch yet over, anyway.

Re: This Year in Matrix

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Post by dane-pgp »

Arathorn wrote: post #37
davidhyde wrote: post #32

> "Social Login via multiple SSO providers (MSC2858) - almost 50% of new registrations on the Matrix.org homeserver now use social login!" Interestingly the split of SSO usage is roughly 70% Google, 12% GitHub, 11% Apple, 6% Facebook and 1% GitLab. Congrats to the matrix team, really great work. However, I'm a little confused by the excitement around "social login". Why is it such a great thing? Aren't you just givin…

The excitement purely comes from the fact it makes it way easier for casual users to try out Matrix (even at the expense of then being beholden to the SSO providers), and it forced us to dogfood and land first class SSO support :)

If someone uses a third party SSO provider, can they create recovery codes to mitigate the risk of having their account closed by that provider? That would be a nice feature to prompt such users to make use of, once they've tried Matrix out for a while and have built up some chat history and connections they wouldn't want to lose.

Re: This Year in Matrix

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Post by jeltz »

Arathorn wrote: post #26
trumpablehump wrote: post #11

Can I use separate identities in the same Element instance yet? Especially with Spaces I feel like this is an obvious feature where it should be easy for people to protect their privacy by using different accounts for different hobbies or peer groups. I would love to finally be able to use my employer's chatrooms with my real name, the animal rights group with my one pseudonym and the techie chat with the other one.

Not yet. Hopefully one for 2022!

Is there any Matrix to Matrix bridge? Such a bridge should be able to solve the problem short term.
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