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Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by staticelf »

bpolovko wrote: post #215
staticelf wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a gut feeling that Americans care more about this than Ukrainians themselves. I am no fan of russia and using the "incorrect" spelling kiev instead of kyiv doesn't imply that IMO.

Gut feeling is not the best thing to rely on in these situations, because there is a chance of jumping into a prejudice. It all depends on a large number of factors which you have to understand before making any conclusions I will not go proactively into explaining why, but I will be happy to provide you with some resources if you are interested to dive in deeper into this topic

Into what topic? I have no problems using Kyiv if that's what Ukranians want. I do not require any other explanation or further discussion. I am just no that politically correct that I care either way.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by Mezzie »

Any time someone else has control of your content or you need them, they can get rid of you. It's not limited to Big Tech; I was 12 when COPPA went into effect and I lost everything online because I hadn't lied when I signed up (because it was perfectly legal for an elementary school kid to have things like an email address and web hosting). All my contacts/friends, all my work that wasn't stored locally (which was a fair amount), etc. Similarly to things like Tinder bans, there WAS an option in law for me to keep my accounts, but it would have required effort on behalf of the companies, so they just deleted everything.

Any centralization, policy, or algorithms that work based on an assumption of default/normal behavior will punish outliers (unless this is accounted for). This guy obviously was one such outlier for Tinder.

> In the future, people will be trying to please the algorithm. They will double-check if what they are doing right now could be considered by algorithms as something strange, something that most people wouldn’t do.

Assuming people understand the algorithms; there's an incentive on the part of companies to keep them opaque. It will be more akin to a religion where people GUESS which actions anger the algorithm and companies and get very mad when others don't agree. Which is worse.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by throwawayacc2 »

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #188
throwawayacc2 wrote: post #121

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> That's called shadowban in the case of OP. I’d call that fraud. If you pay for a service you get to use the service.

No, banning someone from a paid service is not fraud.

Banning + refund for the remainder credit, sure. Scummy, but sure. Shadow banning, taking peoples money while they still think they get a service, not even banning at the end of the billing cycle, without giving notice, nah, that’s definitely fraud.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by zionic »

colmvp wrote: post #85
throwuxiytayq wrote: post #53

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How many Tinders is there? In my country they's pretty much only it, none of the other apps have any users (especially in my age range). I'm also "kinda" banned on Tinder btw - or rather, my account got in an unusable state due to some bug, or an interaction between multiple bugs. The app literally barely works . How pathetic for a company this size. I feel sorry for anyone who has to work on their code base.

Really? In my area, single people also use Hinge, Bumble, CoffeeMeetsBagel, OKCupid, POF, Match... I'm fugly as hell but even I was able to find someone on a non-Tinder platform.

-Hinge: Seemingly the only viable competitor in the college scene

-Bumble, OKCupid, POF, Match: 40+ only.

-CoffeeMeetsBagel: ?

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by vidarh »

najqh wrote: post #100
3np wrote: post #78

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> Get a burner SIM card with a new number and create another profile. Easy as that. People keep saying this without realizing a lot of people practically can’t these days. In an increasing number of countries, getting an SMS/phone-capable SIM can not be done without KYC/ID verification. Where I live, for example, you even need to be a resident; all prepaids are data-only. And before you tell me to find a homeless dru…

Okay? So do ID verification. Tinder won't see your ID. They don't know you are the same person.

Exactly. Some places, like the UK you can just order a bunch of SIMs from Amazon. Though who knows if they'll ban you again if you keep signing up from the same wifi and/or if their app fingerprints the same phone. But worst case is throaway cheap phones and pay as you go.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by mrep »

skykooler wrote: post #197
mrep wrote: post #115

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I think you are off base here. I use hinge primarily and occasionally bumble. I haven't opened up tinder in months.

They are all owned by Match though, they're not actually competitors.

Bumble is a public company (BMBL). Where are you seeing they are owned by match?

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by vmception »

spywaregorilla wrote: post #206
vmception wrote: post #128

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> When I actually meet someone, It was always someone who is in their mid-20s to 30s without a job. In real life, everyone I've gone out with has had a decent job, due to another scary experience I don't go out with people who aren't working. Overfitting is a modeling error in statistics that occurs when a function is too closely aligned to a limited set of data points. ... Thus, attempting to make the model conform…

And yet forming priors based on experience gained in a classic multi arm bandit thompson sampling approach with appropriate exploitation exploration tradeoff is generally the dominant strategy in any static unfamiliar space. Alternatively, contextualizing things into niche stats frameworks doesn't make you correct, or sound intelligent.

The point was to say it without saying it, to provoke introspection in their arbitrary associations.

The "it" being that the issue wasn't that they - and the future potential partners - didn't have a day job. And yet, this person chose that specific aspect of the relationship and elevated that to relevance for other relationships. Even further, they are applying this to people in other cities and geographies, amplifying the absurdity.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by mavsman »

spywaregorilla wrote: post #206
vmception wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When I actually meet someone, It was always someone who is in their mid-20s to 30s without a job. In real life, everyone I've gone out with has had a decent job, due to another scary experience I don't go out with people who aren't working. Overfitting is a modeling error in statistics that occurs when a function is too closely aligned to a limited set of data points. ... Thus, attempting to make the model conform…

And yet forming priors based on experience gained in a classic multi arm bandit thompson sampling approach with appropriate exploitation exploration tradeoff is generally the dominant strategy in any static unfamiliar space. Alternatively, contextualizing things into niche stats frameworks doesn't make you correct, or sound intelligent.

Eventually wet bandits turn into sticky bandits

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by helen___keller »

zionic wrote: post #219
helen___keller wrote: post #195

Big tech would be if your ban from tinder causes you to lose access to your email, your productivity tools, and your income. If getting banned without good justification is the problem, the problem is with all tech services

>Big tech would be if your ban from tinder causes you to lose access to your email, your productivity tools, and your income. Who you meet can radically change the trajectory of your life though, and if 99% of your demographic meets new people via tinder being banned can absolutely have an outsized impact on your life. In my case I met someone normal, got married, had a child, and built a house in an area I never wou…

Tech is literally the infrastructure of the 21st century. Of course it matters and has a huge impact, I’m saying that this is true for much of the tech industry and doesn’t require the “big tech” qualifier.
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