Describing it as “hidden” is a bit sensational. I don’t think I can walk past it in a group without someone throwing out this factoid. It’s also unapologetic about what it is—no fake windows or any of that garbage.
Titanpointe: The NSA’s spy hub in New York, hidden in plain sight (2016)
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Re: Titanpointe: The NSA’s spy hub in New York, hidden in plain sight (2016)
#52It is interesting that the building is nuclear-hardened, but it was started in 1969, which was about five years after it became standing policy for AT&T to nuclear-harden all major long-lines facilities. It's not at all unique to this building and is unrelated to the NSA, nuclear-hardened AT&T exchanges can be found from major cities to small towns across the United States (Farmington, New Mexico, for example), and a large portion of surviving microwave relay sites are hardened. The general standard was roughly for a 100KT detonation at five miles, but some facilities were built for more. The motivation was survivable telecommunications after a nuclear attack, which was primarily a requirement of the US Government which relied on AT&T to build out AUTOVON as a survivable C2 and continuity of government system (and AT&T was generously paid for this work). Alongside AUTOVON, AT&T designed and operated systems like ECHO FOX which provided telephone connections to Air Force One and other national emergency command post aircraft. The end-user client here was mainly the POTUS and Strategic Air Command (later Army and Navy components of the triad), not intelligence.
The choice of architect was a fairly simple one, he was, at the time, a notable architect who was friendly with the federal government (who was in part the client due to AUTOVON and other C2 programs, not intelligence) and had prior experience working on hardened facilities like embassies.
It feels like the author chose this rather confusing way of presenting the issue, conflating the physical building with NSA activity that occurs in it, mostly just to weave in the architecture criticism. The building itself is very interesting, but really does nothing to advance the NSA story and rather seems to suggest that the scale of NSA activity is far larger (the whole building!) than it really is (generally thought to be a single suite on one floor, and far from the only suite occupied by staff of AT&T tenants). What the NSA has seems to basically be an office space, cage, and cross-connect agreement, which tons of other tenants also have... the NSA is just unusual in that the cross-connects go to interfaces configured for lawful intercept (which is more a telecom term of art and not a judgment of the legality).
Re: Titanpointe: The NSA’s spy hub in New York, hidden in plain sight (2016)
#53That doesn’t make it an NSA building though it’s still primarily a telecom hub. It’s not the only giant windowless building of its kind in Manhattan either. There’s the Verizon one next to the Brooklyn Bridge on Pearl (which added some windows decades after being built) among others not to mention the Western Union building in Tribeca and so on.
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They could have put some fake windows to make it look normal. They do this with data center buildings in my city.
A jail I was held in has tinted glass windows all the way around it to make it look like a modern office building, but behind the glass... 99% wall.
Re: Titanpointe: The NSA’s spy hub in New York, hidden in plain sight (2016)
#55I dislike this article whenever it comes up in that it conflates the NSA activity at the site (TITANPOINTE) with the building in a very confusing way. The building is not an NSA building, it is an AT&T building. The NSA is a tenant, along with many other organizations who use the building for meet-me and internet exchange purposes. It's absolutely true that the NSA has a concerning relationship with AT&T that has evi…
Re: Titanpointe: The NSA’s spy hub in New York, hidden in plain sight (2016)
#56I dislike this article whenever it comes up in that it conflates the NSA activity at the site (TITANPOINTE) with the building in a very confusing way. The building is not an NSA building, it is an AT&T building. The NSA is a tenant, along with many other organizations who use the building for meet-me and internet exchange purposes. It's absolutely true that the NSA has a concerning relationship with AT&T that has evi…
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A fifty story windowless concrete building that's genuinely attractive. Not at all what I expected to discover on the Wikipedia page.
How is it attractive? It looks extremely oppressive. I remember coming by that building while walking through Manhattan by chance and thinking this must be some government surveillance center or something.
Sometimes buildings and architecture are testaments to the culture of the time that it was built, some might say it was the beginning of the cold war and the rise of secrecy etc.
Re: Titanpointe: The NSA’s spy hub in New York, hidden in plain sight (2016)
#58Off topic but... If I ran an NSA secret spy hub, it wouldn't be called Titanpointe. It would be called something less ridiculous and more mundane like "John's Computer Services". I'd be embarrassed when a name like that kept appearing on documents or for brought up in meetings.
So what if the name leaks and some hapless computer-unsavvy person happens to call John's Computer Services to help him get rid of the 32 rows of IE toolbars on his Pentium IV-based PC running Windows Vista? At least Titanpointe sounds like a government codename and something vaguely menacing that you shouldn't really mess with.
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The NSA is actually it's own layer in the OSI model. They won't teach you about this in school, though, but there are even more than 7 layers.... /s
is the last layer turtles?
Presentation
Session
Transport
Network
Data Link
Physical
NSA
Furry Engineers
Re: Titanpointe: The NSA’s spy hub in New York, hidden in plain sight (2016)
#60I dislike this article whenever it comes up in that it conflates the NSA activity at the site (TITANPOINTE) with the building in a very confusing way. The building is not an NSA building, it is an AT&T building. The NSA is a tenant, along with many other organizations who use the building for meet-me and internet exchange purposes. It's absolutely true that the NSA has a concerning relationship with AT&T that has evi…