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Re: All Bitcoin private keys are on this website

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Post by stjohnswarts »

nkrisc wrote: post #102
wirelesspotat wrote: post #64

Soo what happens if you're incredibly lucky and stumble across the private key for an active wallet? If you transfer the funds out, isn't that just theft? Is "guessing" a private key any different from guessing someone's bank details?

It’s theft, but I suppose you could claim it was really your private key the whole time. Would the other person be able to prove it was theirs?

They probably could by transactions linked to the public key that matches the private key and can be verified by law enforcement and witnesses that know the actual owner.

Re: All Bitcoin private keys are on this website

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Post by stjohnswarts »

henvic wrote: post #207
mustyoshi wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're still stealing from someone, but it's harder for them to catch you.

No. You're not stealing from anyone. It's decentralized and bits have no owner. If you say 'hey, here is my Bitcoin transaction' and others accept, and you just had luck to find a valid address, it is not the same as stealing. Bitcoin has no value.

That isn't true, although you might like the philosophical debate around that, a judge is still going to make you pay the person back and/or give you a prison sentence if it's proven that you are the original owner of the keys. He's going to laugh at your digital philosophy as he slams his hammer down upon judgement.

Re: All Bitcoin private keys are on this website

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Post by henvic »

smus wrote: post #342
henvic wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Invalid comparison. If you legitimately discover a cryptocurrency wallet private key by sheet lucky, and such cryptocurrency has no backing = is based in pure thin air, such as the case of Bitcoin, and there are public nodes which doesn't require you to abide by contracts that would forbid you to do so (which is supposedly all nodes), you're good to use that as you wish and it won't be a crime. It's unethical to…

Bits on a server representing your account balance also have no tangibility

Jeez! So, are you telling me that cloud isn't someone's else computer? Damn it.

Re: All Bitcoin private keys are on this website

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Post by [deleted] »

ssl232 wrote: post #72
theden wrote: post #26

It's like passively playing the world's worst lottery in terms of odds, but hundreds of thousands of times every second. It's fun but the odds are astronomically low. I have a script[1] that generates a pub+private key and checks against a massive file of addresses with BTC[2]. The list of addresses is loaded in memory as a python `set` so checking is O(1), but I feel like optimisations at increasing the rate are fut…

https://github.com/TheDen/btc-heist/blob/5cf0ef73857277f1321... You don't need the f.close() here - the context manager does it for you.

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Re: All Bitcoin private keys are on this website

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Post by azth »

henvic wrote: post #329
azth wrote: post #324

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Same with private cryptocurrency keys. Otherwise, accessing non-public APIs with weak security by playing around with the URL would be legal.

No. Invalid comparison. If you legitimately discover a cryptocurrency wallet private key by sheet lucky, and such cryptocurrency has no backing = is based in pure thin air, such as the case of Bitcoin, and there are public nodes which doesn't require you to abide by contracts that would forbid you to do so (which is supposedly all nodes), you're good to use that as you wish and it won't be a crime. It's unethical to…

Of course you can steal it, and it's unethical and should be punishable. Not sure what planet we live on here.

Re: All Bitcoin private keys are on this website

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Post by hellojesus »

jmoreno94 wrote: post #214
henvic wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why a thief? Bitcoin is a silly idea based on scarcity that doesn't exist. If someone generated the right numbers by chance and had luck, I wouldn't say they'd be doing anything wrong getting whatever is there. It's not the same as stealing data, and is not the same as hacking into a banking system. It's decentralized, and there isn't the concept of real scarcity. It's not even hacking. https://henvic.dev/posts/bitco…

Because whether or not Bitcoin is silly, someone else paid their hard earned money for the coins, usually we say that makes someone the owner. What do you usually call someone who takes a thing from its owner without permission?

The problem with crypto is the ownership (edit: maybe I should say authorization to transact) is defined only by the private key.

You may get lucky with KYC, but who in their right mind would gen a collision only to get caught on the cash out?

You're not in control once someone has your pk unless you can mobilize a 51% attack to fix your problem.

Re: All Bitcoin private keys are on this website

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Post by rwiggum »

unnouinceput wrote: post #269

Quote: "A private key is basically just a number between 1 and 2^256" Anyone who still uses 2^256 as key length deserves to have their bitcoins stolen. Form what I know modern wallets have their keys more like 2^4096, at least. Heck, even Satoshi did that with its wallet, you know the famous >1M bitcoins he mined at beginning.

This is false

Re: All Bitcoin private keys are on this website

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Post by pests »

henvic wrote: post #329
azth wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same with private cryptocurrency keys. Otherwise, accessing non-public APIs with weak security by playing around with the URL would be legal.

No. Invalid comparison. If you legitimately discover a cryptocurrency wallet private key by sheet lucky, and such cryptocurrency has no backing = is based in pure thin air, such as the case of Bitcoin, and there are public nodes which doesn't require you to abide by contracts that would forbid you to do so (which is supposedly all nodes), you're good to use that as you wish and it won't be a crime. It's unethical to…

What? From an engadget article:

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Property is legally defined as 'Not only money and other tangible things of value, but also includes any intangible right considered as a source or element of income or wealth.'

That includes protectable ideas, digital files, financial instruments (like stocks and bonds, loans and credits), computer graphics, certain arrangements of words and quite a bit more.

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What does tangibility mean to you? That allows you steal the examples in the second paragraph without legal reprecussions nor ethical dilemmas?

Re: All Bitcoin private keys are on this website

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Post by SgtBastard »

toolz wrote: post #232
henvic wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why a thief? Bitcoin is a silly idea based on scarcity that doesn't exist. If someone generated the right numbers by chance and had luck, I wouldn't say they'd be doing anything wrong getting whatever is there. It's not the same as stealing data, and is not the same as hacking into a banking system. It's decentralized, and there isn't the concept of real scarcity. It's not even hacking. https://henvic.dev/posts/bitco…

Bitcoin has a hard cap on how many will ever be in existence. If that's not the definition of real scarcity, then what is? Your implication that bitcoin is easily divided somehows means it isn't finite is simply wrong. Firstly it's not infinitely divisible, secondly things that _are_ infinitely divisible do not just become inflated simply because this property exists. I find it rather revealing that so many anti-cryp…

Bitcoin has no hardcap. We agree that only 21m bitcoins will be mined into the existence as block rewards… until we don’t agree and change it.
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