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Show HN: SlikSafe – A decentralized, end-to-end encrypted alternative to Dropbox

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Re: Show HN: SlikSafe – A decentralized, end-to-end encrypted alternative to Dropbox

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Post by beedrillzzzzz »

arpitagarwal wrote: post #119
beedrillzzzzz wrote: post #87

Hey congrats, the product looks great! Love to see the rise of e2ee tools. Why did you all decide to go with Storj, a fairly centralized distributed storage aggregator, rather than a decentralized storage network like Filecoin or Sia/Skynet? Who pays for the storage on Storj? For a tool to be decentralized, the user needs a means to pay a node directly and the ability to seamlessly move between providers, ie intercha…

Thanks for the great questions! Reliability, performance, and a scalable infrastructure were strong selling points of Storj for us, and hence, we decided to go with them to provide a more seamless experience in terms of data upload and fetch. We also use Filecoin for immutability of user data, and as another layer of global redundancy. Currently, we pay for storage/egress to Storj. Users can pay using dollars/crypto…

Thanks for the reply.

As many other comments suggest, I think it would be great to provide clear documentation to users that they can:

1. Run the entire app themselves, with their own chain/storage nodes etc - its the only way to really guarantee/prove the software is decentralized.

2. Access your data from both any centralized providers (such as yourself) or a local instance, ideally its so transparent you can literally select a different gateway in the app and keep working all within 5 seconds.

This is the bare minimum I would personally require before adopting a "decentralized" software tool.

Looks like you all are taking an incremental approach and not quite there, its a tough problem to solve but I wish you luck!

Re: Show HN: SlikSafe – A decentralized, end-to-end encrypted alternative to Dropbox

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Post by miohtama »

whoisninja wrote: post #75

how's it decentralized if 70% of eth nodes are hosted and their software keeps hard forking(backward incompatible) you're just relying more middle-man but giving false sense of p2p network to the end-user no bueno

This is an offtopic comment, as there is nothing about Ethereum here, and this person seems to have a grudge against Ethereum based on his comment history.

Re: Show HN: SlikSafe – A decentralized, end-to-end encrypted alternative to Dropbox

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Post by beedrillzzzzz »

dreadlordbone wrote: post #127
beedrillzzzzz wrote: post #87

Hey congrats, the product looks great! Love to see the rise of e2ee tools. Why did you all decide to go with Storj, a fairly centralized distributed storage aggregator, rather than a decentralized storage network like Filecoin or Sia/Skynet? Who pays for the storage on Storj? For a tool to be decentralized, the user needs a means to pay a node directly and the ability to seamlessly move between providers, ie intercha…

How would Storj be centralized when its node operators have a much lower barrier to entry compared to Filecoin?

Yep I agree, among other things, Filecoin's ridiculous minimum specs definitely reduce the network's decentralization - really not a fan of this.

With Storj I cannot say I have run a node but the first (required) step is literally registering an account and providing all your personal details on the Storj website, if there is an advanced way around this, its not easy to find in the documentation.

Re: Show HN: SlikSafe – A decentralized, end-to-end encrypted alternative to Dropbox

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Post by breakfastduck »

djrogers wrote: post #117
arpitagarwal wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great points gtsop! We have a very similar understanding of decentralization. My co-founder and I are passionately working on making sure that we eventually reach that goal where Slik keep going, even if any one actor falls down. Here were our goals when we started this out - - Prove and implement the encryption technology [completed], - Switch over from centralized storage to decentralized storage [completed], The a…

> My co-founder and I are passionately working on making sure that we eventually reach that goal Isn't it a bit sketch to be calling it decentralized if that's merely a goal though?

as they've outlined the storage is decentralized the compute is not. I don't think its an unfair sales pitch - they clearly are heading down the right path.

Re: Show HN: SlikSafe – A decentralized, end-to-end encrypted alternative to Dropbox

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Post by whoisninja »

miohtama wrote: post #134
whoisninja wrote: post #75

how's it decentralized if 70% of eth nodes are hosted and their software keeps hard forking(backward incompatible) you're just relying more middle-man but giving false sense of p2p network to the end-user no bueno

This is an offtopic comment, as there is nothing about Ethereum here, and this person seems to have a grudge against Ethereum based on his comment history.

why does website says this: Login with your Phantom or MetaMask wallet directly into the app

MetaMask is ethereum non-sense

Re: Show HN: SlikSafe – A decentralized, end-to-end encrypted alternative to Dropbox

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Post by whoisninja »

miohtama wrote: post #134
whoisninja wrote: post #75

how's it decentralized if 70% of eth nodes are hosted and their software keeps hard forking(backward incompatible) you're just relying more middle-man but giving false sense of p2p network to the end-user no bueno

This is an offtopic comment, as there is nothing about Ethereum here, and this person seems to have a grudge against Ethereum based on his comment history.

this is what your profile says: Researching and programming decentralised finance. The code is the law. #defi #solidity #python #vyper #opensource #infosec. Gibraltar

i know what you doing in gibraltar, SEC might be interested to know

Re: Show HN: SlikSafe – A decentralized, end-to-end encrypted alternative to Dropbox

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Post by beedrillzzzzz »

antoniuschan99 wrote: post #114
beedrillzzzzz wrote: post #87

Hey congrats, the product looks great! Love to see the rise of e2ee tools. Why did you all decide to go with Storj, a fairly centralized distributed storage aggregator, rather than a decentralized storage network like Filecoin or Sia/Skynet? Who pays for the storage on Storj? For a tool to be decentralized, the user needs a means to pay a node directly and the ability to seamlessly move between providers, ie intercha…

What I'm getting with Web3 is essentially FileCoin or Sia is like an API layer where Companies (DApps?) can build on top of. It looks like this may be an existential threat to the current Tech Giants since their data is centralized whereas these new DApps are not. Looks like they use FileCoin and Storj

Yep, but the important part is that

1. Users pay for their own storage, as directly as possible, otherwise they are not in control.

2. Any centralized APIs are fully interchangeable, ideally you can literally select a different gateway in the app, and keep working all within 5 seconds.

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