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Re: Ask HN: How do you manage or avoid meltdowns?

#61

  > No psychotherapy please.  I won't go near their arrogance.
I felt this way a while back. I realize, now, that it was my arrogance that was the problem with that situation -- coupled with a small number of bad experiences with psychologists[0]. Finding one that works for you is difficult, and it took me quite some time, but the value of having a professional "disinterested third-party" decode the workings of your mind is impossible to replicate alone.

Consider that the thing responsible for diagnosing your problems is the exact thing with the problem. Your brain has a way of lying to you, making things seem smaller/less impactful than they are. Talking to a professional about it can reveal things to you which you can't see with the blinders that your brain puts up. It doesn't have to mean "turning your brain off and blindly listening to everything you're told" -- it means listening for something this third-party is telling you that you may not agree with, but perhaps -- they're seeing something you're not and you should evaluate whether or not they might be on to something.

If you are unwilling to see a psychotherapist, find a friend that you trust deeply enough with this problem and ask them, directly, "What do you think I'm doing wrong, here?" or "What do I need to start doing differently?"

[0] Maybe it's just where I live but it seems every psychologist in the field got there because they had years of psychotherapy of their own. It's almost similar to how many who work in drug rehabilitation are former drug addicts, themselves. I'm not sure that it's bad, always, but I found myself speaking with people that seemed a lot less put together than myself.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage or avoid meltdowns?

#62
I don’t know you so take this for what it’s worth:

One thing that has worked quite well for me is meditation. I use the Headspace app, and I like it.

Meditation is not a silver bullet, but for me it has been a net positive. It has definitely helped me to be a calmer person.

Seeing a therapist can also help sometimes. But it can be hard to find the right type of help. Is there any trustworthy medical center in your region? If you have the means to get help from them then you might want to try that. As 'Ensorceled pointed out, there could be an underlying psychiatric condition that affects you. But that is very hard to tell without further details and without the right competence, that’s why seeking care can be helpful. But the specifics of those possibilities will probably vary a lot depending on where you live.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage or avoid meltdowns?

#63
Look into the book "Complex Ptsd: From Surviving to Thriving" by Pete Walker. I reckon you have a background that wasn't kind to you. I would also add limit media consumption (tv, radio, newspapers, social media, etc). Gotta find the root of why you react the way you do. When a negative thought enters your mind, stop it immediately and ask yourself where it is coming from? Is it your thought or from someone else, perhaps someone or something negative in the past? Good luck, fren.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage or avoid meltdowns?

#65
> How do you deal with meltdowns?

Were any of the meltdowns justified?

CBT - not everything is awful.

> I'm talking about doing the bare minimum so that I don't cause myself and the people around me extra problems.

Good to do something about it but why settle for the bare minimum to fix your life?

> For the most part I have managed to keep this away from my (shitty) job so it has not affected my (dead in the water) career.

You have a job and a career - great!

You can always get another job (and career) if you want

> But it is taking a toll on my family relations and I hate me for that.

You protect your (shitty) job and (dead in the water) career because they can fire you, but you don’t protect your family ?

> No phychotherapy please. I won't go near their arrogance.

I recommend therapy - otherwise if you want to go self-help take a look at https://www.amazon.com/Guide-Rational-Living-Albert-Ellis/dp...

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage or avoid meltdowns?

#66

Given the impact of these symptoms on your life, you have a problem that's likely beyond the ability of the well-intentioned people on the internet to fully help. Refusing to seek psychotherapy for this situation is like refusing to fix a hole in your tailpipe because you don't trust mechanics. Eventually, it'll rust through and fall off, and you won't have a choice but to fix it... for more money and time. That is t…

This is one of the more useful bits of advice here in my opinion.

Things like exercise, sleep, eating well etc. could go some way to coping better with the underlying issue, but by themselves are unlikely to address what’s actually going on.

The situation described suggests that feelings are not being managed very well. There could be lots of reasons why, but given the severity any quick fixes from random people on the internet are unlikely to result in sustained improvement.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage or avoid meltdowns?

#67
post #19

I turn the mic off and scream several times a day when the stupidity gets too strong. Sometimes I punch my desk - I would not advise this unless you have a sturdy one, but it is very cathartic.

I have a coworker who does exactly that. I know it because he is really bad at setting the mute mode on zoom.

Sorry but I got a proper laugh from this comment

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage or avoid meltdowns?

#68
The real question is the triggers for the meltdowns. Specifically, if there's a big sensory component here, that's the place to start, well before the psychotherapy, SSRIs or talk. If what's getting you to explode is some kind of sensory overload, no amount of talk will solve that.

We each have an optimal bandwidth of sensory stimulus in which we function. For some, it's pretty broad. For others, it's very narrow and complex. But the large majority, those who come across as perfectly normal and well-functioning, never even pause to think about this - and most people's bandwidth isn't that broad.

So the first thing I'd do is read about your sensory system and think hard about what throws you off in terms of sensory input. There are sure to be questionnaires online on this. It may be that what will help you far more than drugs or sitting still is installing a swing in your backyard.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage or avoid meltdowns?

#69
Welcome to mid-life. It’s not that the younger are smarter: It’s that the older don’t have a disposable amount of time! More responsibilities both in and out of work.

Compounding that is a new child, being stuck at home perpetually, and so of course you’re at your wits-end.

So with good advice already dispensed, I’ll just ask questions.

Is there any way for you to keep work and home separate? Can you work outside? A temp office, a friend’s home, etc.?

Anywhere that’s not home and wouldn’t get you in trouble (no ex girlfriends!).

Second, is your job stable? Are you allowed to take leave? Are you really unhappy about your job or is it “everything”?

In the more quiet moments, does your partner understand the position you’re in and want to help?

What can you and your partner do to make home a slice of heaven/bliss? How can you make home-life a positive-reinforcement experience, and make all the negative experiences be part of “not-at-home”? Or a mutual, shared struggle (crying baby isn’t exactly a joy).

Would personal time help you to get some insights?

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage or avoid meltdowns?

#70
I teach/coach parents and one of the main aspects of improving quality of parenting for the child is improving the quality of self care for parents.

Adults tend to sacrifice self care at the drop of a hat.

Here are a few ideas which my clients find useful:

- who you are, and what you are capable of, changes, and is influenced by many things, on both short and long timescales.

- you on 2 hours of sleep and no food is different from a well-rested well-fed “you”

- it is beneficial to look at yourself less as “good” or “bad” and more as “well-resourced”, or “under-resourced”

- divide your resources into a few different aspects which you can clearly identify/sense. You can visualize them like the health, energy, mana, ammunition etc. bars in a video game.

- I recommend rest/nourishment, belonging/connection, solitude/stillness/reflection, contribution/competency, play/fun, self expression. Yours may vary A bit but these are some of the most common basic human needs.

- when these get depleted, your cognitive resources diminish. Your stress increases. Your organism has a breaking point and a meltdown is a signal of your reaching it.

- a meltdown in a child is the result of the brain getting flooded with stress hormones and restoring itself to balance. (Cortisol gets excreted in tears for example). Similar to you - it’s a rebalancing process. But, it has impact on others and it’s better to not reach a point of losing control.

Resource-wise, you will need to fight to resource yourself - against your old habits, the time crunch etc. Prioritizing your self-care is now vitally important.

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