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Poll: How many generations removed are you from immigration?

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Re: Poll: How many generations removed are you from immigration?

#21
I blame my parent for having reproduced in such low-class, ethically disintegrate environment. They molested me and thought it was "okay" "just an act of love".

If they couldn't even look after for its mental integrity it shouldn't have reproduced. Chances are the newborn child will get consumed to please the "parent" sexually, emotionally, or whatever means possible.

Re: Poll: How many generations removed are you from immigration?

#22
post #6

Tricky one for me. We've managed to trace our family tree back 12 generations through family documents, etc. and our family are still in Ireland (where I'm from). From what we know though our family have had a presence in Ireland for over 500 years on both sides. It's actually remarkable when you consider the earliest record of our surname in Ireland is in the 13th century.

Well I can beat that by about 600 years. The first mention of my family is around 6/700CE. We were followers of St.Cainnech http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cainnech_of_Aghaboe

Myself, I've emigrated to the UK, twice. But now I'm back in Dublin.

Re: Poll: How many generations removed are you from immigration?

#23
That's complicated. My grandparents come from a region that at the time of their birth belonged to the precursor of country I now live in, but that region changed state "membership" during WW2 a few times, and isn't in my own country these days.

So either 2 or a probably much higher number, depending on how you count. (I haven't voted yet).

Re: Poll: How many generations removed are you from immigration?

#24
post #15

When is one be considered an immigrant? Is it: 1) simply living in a land that one was not born in immigration; or 2) giving up one's citizenship at birth for another? Going by the first definition, I've lived in 2 foreign countries for lengthy periods, so have I immigrated twice? But I still am a citizen of where I was born (India) and I do intend to eventually move back to home country, so am I not an immigrant at…

There's a bit of a gray area between "expatriate" and "immigrant", though not everyone makes the distinction. I don't think it has to do with citizenship specifically; someone who moves to the U.S. and stays there the rest of their lives, but never actually becomes a citizen (you can live indefinitely with a green card) would still be an immigrant to the US. Someone whose company sends them on a temporary 3-year posting to the U.S., though, typically wouldn't be considered an immigrant, but an expatriate. Times in between "3 years" and "rest of your life" are trickier.

Re: Poll: How many generations removed are you from immigration?

#25
post #6

Tricky one for me. We've managed to trace our family tree back 12 generations through family documents, etc. and our family are still in Ireland (where I'm from). From what we know though our family have had a presence in Ireland for over 500 years on both sides. It's actually remarkable when you consider the earliest record of our surname in Ireland is in the 13th century.

If you go back 12 generations you have 2^12 = 4 096 ancestors. Seems rather unlikely that every single one of them is Irish. If you go back 20 generations you'd have 2^20 = 1 048 576 ancestors, which is probably larger then the population of Ireland by that time.

Re: Poll: How many generations removed are you from immigration?

#27
Given that the number of ancestors for every one of us grow exponentially with each generation, I think the significance and value of a 'yes' answer to this poll dilutes equally quickly with the number of generations.

I mean, it's quite difficult not to find a single inmigrant in 16 (4th generation) or 32 (5th generation) ancestors, and I don't think it matters much anyway.

Re: Poll: How many generations removed are you from immigration?

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post #25
post #6

Tricky one for me. We've managed to trace our family tree back 12 generations through family documents, etc. and our family are still in Ireland (where I'm from). From what we know though our family have had a presence in Ireland for over 500 years on both sides. It's actually remarkable when you consider the earliest record of our surname in Ireland is in the 13th century.

If you go back 12 generations you have 2^12 = 4 096 ancestors. Seems rather unlikely that every single one of them is Irish. If you go back 20 generations you'd have 2^20 = 1 048 576 ancestors, which is probably larger then the population of Ireland by that time.

While it's true there's likely an immigrant in the bunch, it's also very unlikely that all 4096 or 1048576 ancestors are distinct. The tree is bound to overlap.

Re: Poll: How many generations removed are you from immigration?

#29
post #25
post #6

Tricky one for me. We've managed to trace our family tree back 12 generations through family documents, etc. and our family are still in Ireland (where I'm from). From what we know though our family have had a presence in Ireland for over 500 years on both sides. It's actually remarkable when you consider the earliest record of our surname in Ireland is in the 13th century.

If you go back 12 generations you have 2^12 = 4 096 ancestors. Seems rather unlikely that every single one of them is Irish. If you go back 20 generations you'd have 2^20 = 1 048 576 ancestors, which is probably larger then the population of Ireland by that time.

Except that if you go back that far, not all of the ancestors are likely to be distinct.

Re: Poll: How many generations removed are you from immigration?

#30
Interesting question. However I find it worrying that this clearly written spec seems to be misinterpreted quite a bit in the comments. I worry that it means you can't trust the results at all. Or maybe people just like talking about their most distantly traceable ancestors.

I worry that people who don't know if one of their ancestors was an immigrant have answered incorrectly.

I think the way to reduce confusion would be to label the options as "1 generations (One of my parents was an immigrant)", "2 generations (One of my grandparents.. )", "3 generations (One of my great-grandparents was an immigrant)", etc.

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