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Post by the-alt-one »

porker wrote: post #107
trabant00 wrote: post #67

The few podcasts I listen to, I do so in 0.2x speed or even less. Not by slowing the playback speed, obviously, but by pausing and rewinding very often to think about what has been said and even take notes if I find something that resonates with me. Most podcasts though I listen to at infinite speed, meaning I don't listen to them at all. You can go through them 2-3x speed because there's really nothing there. It's l…

> The few podcasts I listen to, I do so in 0.2x speed or even less. Not by slowing the playback speed, obviously, but by pausing and rewinding very often to think about what has been said and even take notes if I find something that resonates with me Which podcasts have you found that contain thought provoking information? I've tried to get into podcasts but haven't found the ones to keep my interest yet.

Tides of History, In Our Time, Revolutions, Stronger by Science.

I like finding and listening to lectures on Apple podcasts too, like Zizek.

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Post by trees101 »

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #134

There are three kinds of learning - new contextual framework (There is no god, armies used to be retinues of retinues) - new skills (make fire from sticks, algebra and calculus) - new information (Henry V won at agincourt) The big important ones are the contextual frameworks. Without them humanity and individual humans are just floundering. And if there is any big political divide it's because people are not in same…

Im interested in your categorisation of learning. Can you elaborate on "contextual framework"? Are these your own concepts, if not where do you get them from?

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Post by freemint »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #133
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the slowness of the videos is for non-english speakers. Meaning people who can understand english to a point, but aren't using english every day. Some years ago when I used to play games there was these awesome guides to some hard challenges a guy made where he was speaking pretty fast because there was a lot to cover and it was narrated over live footage. It was perfectly understandable to me, but the commen…

Wait, you can also slow down YouTube videos, can't you ?

Yeah but it sounds like shut then since there are fewer samples per second of Playback.

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Post by thrower123 »

saivan wrote: post #4

I get the point you're making - but honestly I have to raise the counter argument, which I think is equally valid. Take for example, the average lecture video. The information density is so low, that I'd imagine that a 60 minute video could be compressed into 10-12 minutes without any loss of information. It really depends on what you're listening to/watching.

I really hate how everyone has shifted to video and podcasts over the last ten years or so.

Personally, I'm an "in one ear, out the other" type as far as auditory memory goes. So I can read something written out, or even just transcribed, in a fraction of the time and actually remember it.

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Post by bildung »

culebron21 wrote: post #142

I'm impressed more by the comments than the article itself. Some people insist they make progress and listen 3x, but nobody showed any practical measurements of own skills. A personal example: I used to listen to a famous linguist, and everything seemed nice and clear, but then I decided to go in details on one particular question (I think accentuantion), and opened his book. It was like if you showed your programmin…

This is a core problem in education, BTW: people, regardless of age, are essentially unable to properly evaluate whether they actually learned something from e.g. a course they just completed, and what helped with these learning effects. Those after-course feedbacks mostly just reflect whether they liked the presenter and/or the group. This of course has problematic consequences if that after-course feedback is used as evaluation of the course itself, because it can penalize courses where people would actually learn - because learning sometimes simply isn't fun.

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Post by ar_kan »

Two important takeaways to remember: 1. Think more strategically about what you want to learn and why. 2. Proper knowledge requires proper contemplation & synthesis.

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Post by tristanperry »

I watch Netflix at 1.25x and YouTube at 1.5x-2x - but this is mainly because I find some shows/channels a bit too slow at 1x speed.

Some YouTube channels are unbearable at 1x speed due to the slow speaking speed.

3x speed probably is hard to genuinely acquire knowledge effectively for most people - although I have heard of blind people who do 2.5x-3x with ease, so who knows.

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Post by tdrdt »

This reminds me of the multi-tasking myth.

People who multi-task think it works because they did a lot of different things throughout the day.

But when performance is measured the conclusion is that multi-tasking does not work and only hurts the brain.

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Post by omgitsabird »

JimTheMan wrote: post #14

I'd argue that 95% of all learning, is learnt by doing. Merely listening to something without properly interrogating your understanding of it.. you will end up with a bunch of shallow and untested knowledge. At best, a boffin. It's imperative to build, discuss, interrogate, trial and fail.

Semantic memory isn't procedural memory or episodic memory.

Just listening to something is completely different than being able to do something with what you just listened to.

Learning involves more than just recalling things from memory.

Re: Against 3x Speed

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Post by sofixa »

trabant00 wrote: post #129
porker wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The few podcasts I listen to, I do so in 0.2x speed or even less. Not by slowing the playback speed, obviously, but by pausing and rewinding very often to think about what has been said and even take notes if I find something that resonates with me Which podcasts have you found that contain thought provoking information? I've tried to get into podcasts but haven't found the ones to keep my interest yet.

"The History of Rome" and "Philosophize This". I finished them both in a superficial way, while driving on my daily commute. Now I listen to them in my spare time and try to really dig deep, take notes and read the original material on topics that resonate to me. After I finish them again this way I will search for something of similar quality. "Revolutions" seems to be it.

I'm currently listening to the end of the Russian Revolutions part of the Revolutions podcast (the last one), and I'm quite happy with the quality and depth, i recommend it heartily. I had a decent understanding of the subject matter from generic history knowledge and The Great War series on YouTube ( which i also recommend!) and there was still a whole lot i learned. I do listen it on 1.1x however, the normal speed is a bit slow for me ( and slightly overflows the slot I've alloted for podcasts).
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