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Re: My parents collect cans for a living

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I am curious: if you collect cans for a living, do you qualify for government assistance? Is it possible that Jessica Yauri receives aid earmarked for children so they can get proper nutrition, via her parents? She does not mention if she qualifies for lunch assistance. Also, I am assuming that she goes to a public school where she doesn't have to pay to attend. It is also not clear if she receives further aid in sup…

A number of fair questions, I can only answer from personal experience.

My dad being a bus driver+conference phone tech and my mom an office admin we qualified for lunch and other aids as long as I was in school.

Many things were subsidized, but there were also things that weren't. It was hard to know when unless you always asked.

For smaller items sometimes it wasn't worth the embarrassment of always walking up to your teacher or school admin to ask if there was a discount for me. They knew who I was and what I was asking for. Super nice about it, but it doesn't make it feel any less worse. I also had to sneak away from friends. I also didn't want them around while I asked.

But you're right at a $400 required fee, usually there's a form of aid/discount.

I'll give the writer a benefit of doubt. Maybe there wasn't aid available? Maybe there was and it simply wasn't enough. $400 => $100 can still be very stressful.

Regardless, I thank my parents and grandparents, because being one of the lucky ones - I never went hungry.

Re: My parents collect cans for a living

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The writing in this article is incredible and I have nothing but admiration for the author and her family. But, to me, this situation is what’s wrong with America. Why are people who are clearly so hard working struggling to get by?

wait till you realize what's happening in the rest of the world. where people work much harder and still don't get by.

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Re: My parents collect cans for a living

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Or, if you take another section of the rest of the world wait till you realize what's happening in the rest of the world where people work less hard and don't have it that bad.

Then hopefully immigrants are also going there and enjoying that system, if it supports them, wherever it may be.

FYI a great many immigrants were rich when they immigrated. A lot of rich people come to America because America offers so much opportunity to people who are already wealthy. Immigrants from overseas are especially likely to be wealthy. Indian-Americans are the wealthiest ethnic demographic in America simply because migrating from India pretty much requires being very wealthy to begin with.

Re: My parents collect cans for a living

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I am curious: if you collect cans for a living, do you qualify for government assistance? Is it possible that Jessica Yauri receives aid earmarked for children so they can get proper nutrition, via her parents? She does not mention if she qualifies for lunch assistance. Also, I am assuming that she goes to a public school where she doesn't have to pay to attend. It is also not clear if she receives further aid in sup…

I am a little bit annoyed with the direction of your argument. To counter argue, it is obvious in this case that the value that you get from this “underclass” is more that the cheap labour, it’s also an educated young person with passion and depth of experiences that you would struggle to get from “people already here” alone. What has been coming out “in the wash” for the duration of your history, I assume you comment from US perspective, is a prosperous country, so it seems you have been getting a great deal.

Re: My parents collect cans for a living

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From the article "Jessica is a proud first-generation Ecuadorian-American and a second-year Percy Ellis Sutton Search for Education, Elevation, and Knowledge (SEEK) student at Baruch College majoring in business management with a minor in law and policy." Jessia is the American dream. First generation, got to college and writing like that. Lots of Americans concentrate on what is wrong with America. There is value in…

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For whatever reason HN nerds love stories about recycling even though this family is clearly poor and not making good financial decisions.

Re: My parents collect cans for a living

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My family used to do this all the time when we were kids. We'd go along the ditches on the side of the road and make a family outing of it on weekends. At the beach my brother and I would drag big plastic garbage bags around and collect as much as we could from people who were happy to help some kids out and also happy to be rid of the bottles and cans. You could make some decent coin at it, but that was also in the…

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Re: My parents collect cans for a living

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then hopefully immigrants are also going there and enjoying that system, if it supports them, wherever it may be.

FYI a great many immigrants were rich when they immigrated. A lot of rich people come to America because America offers so much opportunity to people who are already wealthy. Immigrants from overseas are especially likely to be wealthy. Indian-Americans are the wealthiest ethnic demographic in America simply because migrating from India pretty much requires being very wealthy to begin with.

Nothing I said indicated the immigrants were rich or poor, the majority are poor though.

My point was if there's a nicer system than the US, immigrants will be flocking there too.

Luckily we have numbers on the rates of which people immigrate to which countries, and the average wages of citizens of those countries.

> Indian-Americans are the richest ethnic minority in America because migrating from India pretty much requires being wealthy.

Plenty of lower class Indian immigrants pool their money for taxi medallions, convenient stores, hotels, trucks, etc. to get a business going.

They integrate well and know how to climb the system. They send their children in as doctors later in generations. They don't always start rich, they work for it.

> A lot of rich people come to America because America treats rich people so well, at the cost of treating poor people like dirt. See: tax rates.

You'll find tax rates are better in the US than most other countries for lower income families. For businesses the US has only recently been competitive.

Re: My parents collect cans for a living

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My father was illiterate, which left him very few options in life after spending his early 20s in prison for check fraud. During the 70s, he discovered he could pick up cardboard and recyclables from local shops and grocery stores and take them to the nearby recycling plant for decent money.

By the early 90s, when I was a young teenager, he would use me as free labor and I'd spend my weekends crushing cans piled as mountains the size of pickup trucks. You'd have to remember to empty the can first, otherwise old beer or worse would get everywhere and you'd go home smelling like a chain-smoking drunk. The only redeeming quality was getting to see all the different brands and can designs and dreaming about how they might taste from their lingering aromas.

We did this work on borrowed land in Tulalip, a local Indian reservation where he had made friends offering pickup recycling services. One early summer after a particularly grueling day, my dad handed me $10 and we made our way over to Tulalip's "Boom City", an open-air market of stalls selling fireworks of every imaginable kind. It was like heaven to me, the air filled with tiny explosions and the smell of spent fireworks while crowds palpable with excitement wandered among the two dozen stalls.

I had my heart set on a brick of Black Cat firecrackers, but my allowance only got me half way there. When the stall owner noticed my dad, he threw me the brick. "Oh, you're Ron's son. Just give me what you have." I couldn't believe my luck. After we got home, I called my best friend to let him know about my bounty and that I was coming over to share. I would never get there.

A few blocks from my destination I came across a yard sale, and as was habit spent a few minutes browsing things I could never afford. Most of it was your usual old housewares and used clothing, but among it all sat an old Apple II with a detached 5.25 drive. I'd only ever used a computer at school, and even then just during free time in the library playing "Oregon Trail" or "Where in the World Is Carmen Sandiego?"

"I'll trade you" came a voice as I gawked mouth-ajar at the computer, and I looked over to find a man pointing at my brick of firecrackers.

When I got home and booted it up, I was greeted with the ">" prompt of Apple DOS 3.3 and no idea what to do next. In my excitement I recalled the seller had told me to type "loderunner", and the rest is history.

It blows my mind that a summer crushing cans, a brick of fireworks, and an old Apple II led me out of poverty. I was so ashamed at what my parents did growing up, but realize now they were doing the best they could under the circumstances. It's so easy to look at someone else and judge them, and assume they're the victim of their own laziness rather than complicated people with complicated histories and complicated situations.

My life wouldn't be the same if my poor, uneducated father hadn't been kind to his customers, a stall owner that was kind to a kid, and someone throwing a yard sale that saw the value of his old stuff in the hands of someone new.

Re: My parents collect cans for a living

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As they should. About a decade ago in Toronto, Ontario, Canada we actually made collecting cans out of recycling bins illegal. The city claimed that these "scavengers" were taking their rightful profits. I shit you not. [0] [0] https://toronto.citynews.ca/2008/08/07/city-to-crack-down-on...

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