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Re: Against 3x Speed

#101
I would suggest that it might depend, "right speed for the job" , I use TTS(text to speech" all the time with a large speed, regular people will not understand what it is spoken but for me is fine, I can read a news article like this one without no downsides versus someone that uses his eyes and reads at normal speed or someone that listens the TTS at regular speed and with some natural sounding voice.

What if the 1X is a limitation of our vocals, we could maybe lose our air if we would speak much faster, if someone would like to do some sicence on this I suggest finding people with disabilities that use TTS technology and try to get some numbers.

I personally don't use faster speed for the reason to listen to twice as mch content but probably to finish it faster. I listen/watch youtube at regular speed since I use this videos for entertaining and I did not consider to speed them up, though for audio books the app had a big speed button so I used it mostly at 1.5X

Re: Against 3x Speed

#102
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I get the point you're making - but honestly I have to raise the counter argument, which I think is equally valid. Take for example, the average lecture video. The information density is so low, that I'd imagine that a 60 minute video could be compressed into 10-12 minutes without any loss of information. It really depends on what you're listening to/watching.

Using rate of speed up is probably a bad metric due to varying densities, but even if one were to account for that and use some kind of smart speed up app that maintains constant information throughput, the issue is with not taking pauses to ruminate.

It's more of an information retention problem rather than an information loss one. IE not committing to long term memory as the author states.

Not very unlike consuming food without chewing.

Re: Against 3x Speed

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post #23
post #4

I get the point you're making - but honestly I have to raise the counter argument, which I think is equally valid. Take for example, the average lecture video. The information density is so low, that I'd imagine that a 60 minute video could be compressed into 10-12 minutes without any loss of information. It really depends on what you're listening to/watching.

Honestly, maybe I'm just some old, out-of-touch luddite, but I think that using videos to pass information is sub-optimal all around. Unless we're actually showing audio-visual phenomena, a page of text is almost always more useful to me. I can absorb it at my speed. I can go back and forth within it easily. I can search it. I can copy bits out if I need to. It's just better.

Subtitles matter! While a video is not equivalent to just text, reading at 3x with audio is similar to why people enjoy audio books.

Visual content is a bonus, to remain more engaged and maybe impart information via a third medium

Re: Against 3x Speed

#104
post #98

I am one of these people. I regularly watch movies, TV, and YouTube at 3-4x (with subtitles, if available). It is easy to forget several of the 4 movies I watch in a 2 hour period, but I have a watched list, and could remember any detail once I have the reference to latch onto. Worst case, I could watch any piece of content 3 times before a 'normal' finishes it once. For any thing confusing, double-tap back 10 second…

Wow, you do this for movies too? By speeding up that much you’re completely changing the movie experience. Changing the pacing of a scene dramatically change it’s tone.

Re: Against 3x Speed

#105
post #4

I get the point you're making - but honestly I have to raise the counter argument, which I think is equally valid. Take for example, the average lecture video. The information density is so low, that I'd imagine that a 60 minute video could be compressed into 10-12 minutes without any loss of information. It really depends on what you're listening to/watching.

I'm very slow with books. I'll read a couple paragraphs and then ponder for a minute. And then maybe look up some tangential, maybe even radial stuff. Even audio books at 1X move too fast for me.

I read maybe 4 or 5 books a year. I don't understand how people do 100.

Re: Against 3x Speed

#107

The few podcasts I listen to, I do so in 0.2x speed or even less. Not by slowing the playback speed, obviously, but by pausing and rewinding very often to think about what has been said and even take notes if I find something that resonates with me. Most podcasts though I listen to at infinite speed, meaning I don't listen to them at all. You can go through them 2-3x speed because there's really nothing there. It's l…

> The few podcasts I listen to, I do so in 0.2x speed or even less. Not by slowing the playback speed, obviously, but by pausing and rewinding very often to think about what has been said and even take notes if I find something that resonates with me

Which podcasts have you found that contain thought provoking information? I've tried to get into podcasts but haven't found the ones to keep my interest yet.

Re: Against 3x Speed

#108
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've noticed that I'm fairly unusual in my generation (late millennial) in that I strongly prefer to consume information through reading compared to listening or watching. My brothers and friends and girlfriend all love stuff like podcasts or casual YouTube watching, but I find that the increased effort needed to arbitrarily change speed or skip around always makes me end up not retaining or enjoying the content I co…

It depends on the type of information, for me. I love podcasts (history, policy, some news) but when I'm trying to research a topic or find instructions on something, or that kind of thing, I also vastly prefer text. Kind of drives me crazy when the most relevant source I can find is a 15 minute youtube video explaining something that could be distilled into a paragraph of text.

Same. Especially Youtube videos explaining and showing something really simple that takes like 5 seconds but they go on for 10-15 minutes. I suspect it has something to do with Youtubes algorithms that encourages creators to make long videos.

Re: Against 3x Speed

#109
Speeding up playback buys you a small gain, but 2x or 3x is an absolute upper limit in most cases. And yes, retention suffers.

It's not that I don't bump up speed in some cases, though it's not all. I also slow down, or replay (sometimes many times) especially good marterial.

(Or especially confusing material, which often proves not to be especially good.)

But ...

... the real gains aren't to be had in playing media at 2x or 3x realtime. It's in selecting sources which afford 10x, or 100x, or 1000x utility in information. Sturgeon's Law applies, there's far more content created (in any format: text, images, audio, video, data, software) than any one person could hope to attend to in 15,000 lifetimes.[1] Probably significantly more.

Instead, one should recognise one's own limits of information exposure, goals in aquiring knowledge, and the available sources, and seek out at least higher quality sources amongst those available. These needn't necessarily be based strictly on truth value --- there's merit in reading discredited philosophy, mythologies, religion, and even perhaps for some, fiction and poetry.[2] Particularly such works as are of cultural significance, or which might help one achieve inner balance or simple amusement.

But listening to crap at 3x speed ... is not true efficiency.

It doesn't look as if anyone's mentioned Mortimer J. Adler's How to Read a Book yet. I'd strongly recommend reading it, quickly or slowly, and incorporating the lessons it offers for how, and what, to read.

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Notes:

1. Not a number pulled from /dev/ass, for what it's worth, but at least a rough approximation. If a truly dedicated scholar might read 10,000 books over a dilligent lifetime, that's 167 books a year from age 20 onwards, and there are roughly 150 million books published, then reading the collected works of humanity would require roughly 15,000 lifetimes. That might be adjusted up or down a bit but is a good first approximation.

2. An attempte at humour, Dear Reader.

Re: Against 3x Speed

#110

A year ago a friend encouraged me to start a podcast about the history of astronomy [0]. Talking to people who have listened to the podcast has been really eye-opening about the difference in comprehension/absorption between creating a podcast vs. listening to it. I would notice that other podcasters in the "History of..." genre would sometimes say things like "you might remember we talked about such-and-such related…

Just subscribed. I’d recommend putting your RSS feed link higher up near the top.
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