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Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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This is news just because it's an Apple device being used for something that was already trivially possible. GPS trackers designed to be magnet-attached to a car which report their location via cell signal cost ~$20 on Amazon. You then tend to need to pay for either a SIM card or a subscription to the device maker's service -- bringing you up to about the cost of an AirTag. These are much harder to detect, as you mig…

Great for business' network effects: you have to have an iPhone 11 or above (U1 chip) to avoid being tracked Behind its "privacy" PR, Apple is secretly nudging people to buy more iPhones again... Past tricks to make people upgrade: 1. Slowing down: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51413724 2. "Other" storage: https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/666721

You're surprised a company making a product wants consumers to buy their product?

How does the "slowing down" story keep coming up when it's clear it was the best solution to the problem "what to do when users have the same battery for 3+ years and the device literally cannot sustain itself anymore".

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great for business' network effects: you have to have an iPhone 11 or above (U1 chip) to avoid being tracked Behind its "privacy" PR, Apple is secretly nudging people to buy more iPhones again... Past tricks to make people upgrade: 1. Slowing down: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51413724 2. "Other" storage: https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/666721

You're surprised a company making a product wants consumers to buy their product? How does the "slowing down" story keep coming up when it's clear it was the best solution to the problem "what to do when users have the same battery for 3+ years and the device literally cannot sustain itself anymore".

Not surprised, just a hypothesis on hidden tactics behind.

As for your question, do you really trust in Apple's PR? "Privacy, green, ethical labor"

Oh almost forgot, another case:

3. https://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/complete-control-apple-a...

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great for business' network effects: you have to have an iPhone 11 or above (U1 chip) to avoid being tracked Behind its "privacy" PR, Apple is secretly nudging people to buy more iPhones again... Past tricks to make people upgrade: 1. Slowing down: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51413724 2. "Other" storage: https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/666721

It’s doesn’t require the U1 chip.

3 days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPqiQiKN284

I see: https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/apple-airtag-tips

Not so good for Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.apple.trac...

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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While it’s theoretically possible that this happened, I think this particular story was made up. For a number of reasons: 1) How did the stalker know that that’s her car? She said she was on a night out. Unless she went back to her car all the time, he must have seen her arrive in it. 2) Sticking an AirTag to the inside of the front wheel well isn’t easy. There is dirt and grime there and the surfaces aren’t flat. Th…

Thought the same but didn't want to say so on Twitter.

The AirTag would have been linked to an Apple account.

Friend didn't take any photos, destroyed the only evidence. No police report. Seems legit.

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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This is news just because it's an Apple device being used for something that was already trivially possible. GPS trackers designed to be magnet-attached to a car which report their location via cell signal cost ~$20 on Amazon. You then tend to need to pay for either a SIM card or a subscription to the device maker's service -- bringing you up to about the cost of an AirTag. These are much harder to detect, as you mig…

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Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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While you're correct, I think there is something to be said about the popularization of the technology. Most people aren't aware of GPS trackers other than movies and think they are much harder to come by. AirTags are also less nefarious by nature. If you get caught with a GPS tracker on your person that's pretty suspicious. If you're caught placing an AirTag on someone's car it's easier to pretend you dropped it and…

Security by obscurity is not security at all. Thinking you were safe because “people didn’t know about it” is not safety at all! Bad people are going to be bad. They don’t need AirTags for that. Knowing it can happen is far better for everyone to know about than living in a false sense of security.

Security by obscurity is actually pretty good security. Obviously but fool proof, but pretty good. Of course it depends on how good your obscurity is. Plain text passwords are not very obscure. And thus is mainly where the phrase comes from.

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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Woman: has something bad happen to her. Everyone else: gaslight her to infinity or straight up call her a liar. Not saying it did or didn't happen, but this thread is super toxic.

If it becomes widely known that you won't be believed if you destroy all the evidence of something maybe people will do otherwise in the future.

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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The worst part of this is, if you don’t have an iPhone, you’ll never know if you’re being tracked. Edit: Yes, I know there’s an app. Do you think more than 1% of victims will have it installed?

If you already knew that there was an app out there, maybe don't use absolutist sounding phrases like "they'll never know" just to come back and make defensive edits about how nobody out there knows about its existence when you yourself obviously knew about it.

Yes, i, android user, have to install an Apple app to know I'm being tracked by their devices. I, average android user, also do this proactively because I know some creep/car thief/angry customer/... might want to track me or my wife.

Nothing to see here, all totally normal and expected and I should be grateful that there is an app to defend myself proactively against such tracking. I should also do the same for Microsoft, Huawei, Samsung, Sony, ... tracking tags. If that eats my phone battery this is just a small price to pay to assure my daughter won't be kidnapped or my house broken in as the attacker conveniently knew I wasn't home.

May I suggest we also all proactively wear tinfoil helmets to ensure Tesla's 'level 5 self-driving cars' don't kill us? You know, totally not the responsibility of the manufacturer to make sure their products are safe for all.

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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It is a much more likely and sensible (for the bad guy) outcome though. There are so many more people out there that want to rob someone than want to rape someone. Especially when the target is a stranger.

> much more likely and sensible (for the bad guy) outcome though. I don't know. it could be but bad guys aren't exactly known for being sensible.

"Crime is not actually caused by evil. Crime is caused by systemic disenfranchisement and poverty and lack of access to job opportunities."

Which is to say that most crime is about money.

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