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Pfizer’s Covid-19 Pill is 89% Effective in Phase 2/3 Study

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Re: Pfizer’s Covid-19 Pill is 89% Effective in Phase 2/3 Study

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Post by 650 »

epgui wrote: post #135
pokstad wrote: post #128

Does this mean COVID is over? I thought once the vaccines were available we could move on with life, but somehow the goal posts kept moving. Will people accept the much smaller risk of hospitalization once this pill is available?

The goal posts do keep moving, because vaccination uptake is slow, people keep arguing against public health measures, and while we waste time delaying measures or implementing half baked measures, the virus evolves.

Look at BC Canada, 90% vaccine uptake (2 doses). Very strong public masking. Vax passport checking at most businesses. More restrictions recently introduced. Hospitals on the verge of being overwhelmed.

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Post by fivea »

pokstad wrote: post #128

Does this mean COVID is over? I thought once the vaccines were available we could move on with life, but somehow the goal posts kept moving. Will people accept the much smaller risk of hospitalization once this pill is available?

> Does this mean COVID is over?

When I took my first jab, the local clinic handed out a flier explaining in no uncertain terms that:

a) the current batch of vaccines work by giving our immune system a workout to be able to experience a COVID infection as either totally unnoticed or at most a mild case,

b) the current batch of vaccines does not nor did ever guaranteed you won't contract and spread COVID,

c) even with all shots we still need to practice basic higiene and health precautions like wearing a mask, wash hands, and social distance.

We're talking about pre-Delta times. This has been widely known from the start.

How come antivaxxers are the only ones repeating cynical comments on how the initial batch of vaccines, which we all are lucky to have but are still at the level of being better than nothing, would be a silver bullet?

Re: Pfizer’s Covid-19 Pill is 89% Effective in Phase 2/3 Study

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Post by refurb »

epgui wrote: post #135
pokstad wrote: post #128

Does this mean COVID is over? I thought once the vaccines were available we could move on with life, but somehow the goal posts kept moving. Will people accept the much smaller risk of hospitalization once this pill is available?

The goal posts do keep moving, because vaccination uptake is slow, people keep arguing against public health measures, and while we waste time delaying measures or implementing half baked measures, the virus evolves.

Nope. In countries that have vaccination rates and strict compliance to measure the cases keep going up.

The goalposts move because the experts were wrong.

Re: Pfizer’s Covid-19 Pill is 89% Effective in Phase 2/3 Study

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Post by refurb »

Msw242 wrote: post #117
dnautics wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC Vaccination seems to do a poor job of preventing person-to-person transmission of delta (and likely, even less, omicron). If you are currently getting vaccinated, you should be doing it for selfish reasons, and you should not count on it to protect, say, a vulnerable or unvaccinated person you live with.

It's not perfect, but the vaccinated people shed way less virus, and are contagious for a much shorter window of time. Also, it makes you less likely to take a bed in the ICU, preserving that bed for grandma's stroke

The Lancet data suggests the effect is pretty small in terms of transmission. And the fact that countries like Singapore with 95%+ of eligible vaccinated, strict distancing measures still had a ton of cases demonstrates that in the real world.

Re: Pfizer’s Covid-19 Pill is 89% Effective in Phase 2/3 Study

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Post by jmarbach »

jjulius wrote: post #146
jmarbach wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right. I will never question Pfizer again. There could be infinite mutations of the virus moving forward which would impact the weight of their claims.

>I will never question Pfizer again. I didn't say you, nor myself or anyone else, shouldn't question them, just that they haven't been incorrect in this instance as you've suggested. I'm not sure why your snark is needed in your multiple responses here.

The Pfizer vaccine is not 90% effective. That’s a fact.

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Post by [deleted] »

jmarbach wrote: post #156
jjulius wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I will never question Pfizer again. I didn't say you, nor myself or anyone else, shouldn't question them, just that they haven't been incorrect in this instance as you've suggested. I'm not sure why your snark is needed in your multiple responses here.

The Pfizer vaccine is not 90% effective. That’s a fact.

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Post by magicalist »

650 wrote: post #151
epgui wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The goal posts do keep moving, because vaccination uptake is slow, people keep arguing against public health measures, and while we waste time delaying measures or implementing half baked measures, the virus evolves.

Look at BC Canada, 90% vaccine uptake (2 doses). Very strong public masking. Vax passport checking at most businesses. More restrictions recently introduced. Hospitals on the verge of being overwhelmed.

> 90% vaccine uptake (2 doses)

82%

> Hospitals on the verge of being overwhelmed

There's 191 people in the hospital in BC for covid right now[1]. Current preparations are for if omicron has exponential growth over the next several weeks.

[1] https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/a6f23959a8b14bfa989...

Re: Pfizer’s Covid-19 Pill is 89% Effective in Phase 2/3 Study

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Post by junon »

throwawayboise wrote: post #60
junon wrote: post #42

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Your own misunderstanding of the difference between SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19 do not entitle you to assert anything about the subject.

It matters not. The public was lead to believe that the vaccines were highly effective and safe. Now they are realized to be not so effective (against Delta/Omicron) and not so safe (J&J/Janssen recently "de-preferenced" by CDC due to clotting). We are still wearing masks, when we were once told the vaccinated didn't need to mask. Two years later, there is no end in sight. If you want to build trust, don't oversell t…

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Post by Ajedi32 »

fivea wrote: post #153
pokstad wrote: post #128

Does this mean COVID is over? I thought once the vaccines were available we could move on with life, but somehow the goal posts kept moving. Will people accept the much smaller risk of hospitalization once this pill is available?

> Does this mean COVID is over? When I took my first jab, the local clinic handed out a flier explaining in no uncertain terms that: a) the current batch of vaccines work by giving our immune system a workout to be able to experience a COVID infection as either totally unnoticed or at most a mild case, b) the current batch of vaccines does not nor did ever guaranteed you won't contract and spread COVID, c) even with…

> the current batch of vaccines does not nor did ever guaranteed you won't contract and spread COVID

Guarantee, no. But the thought was that it would greatly reduce the risk of spreading the disease, such that once a sufficient number of people were vaccinated herd immunity would kill off the virus and end the pandemic. We're now two years in with a 73% vaccination rate in the US (not counting those with natural immunity), with even higher rates elsewhere; still no end in sight.

If vaccines aren't going to end the pandemic, then something else needs to. Will a pill that reduces the lethality of the disease by 89% be enough that we can finally put this to rest and go back to normal? If not that, then what?

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