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Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by nathan_compton »

q1w2 wrote: post #221
peterbonney wrote: post #209

I think I say this every time I see a headline like this on HN, but I'll say it again: The past decade of social science research publication has proven that provocative-sounding results should be considered fraudulent until the underlying data has been published, and then (assuming the data passes muster) should be regarded with skepticism until independently replicated with a fresh data set.

One of the most eye-opening studies I saw was that social science papers with the most citations, had the highest likelihood of not being reproducible. Meaning that Social Sciences are actually pushing out misinformation more than not.

"A good scientist, in other words, does not merely ignore conventional wisdom, but makes a special effort to break it. Scientists go looking for trouble. This should be the m.o. of any scholar, but scientists seem much more willing to look under rocks." -- Paul Graham.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by geofft »

carom wrote: post #218
geofft wrote: post #34

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That math doesn't work out, because the infection fatality ratio measures fatality - non-existence - not impaired existence. Long covid is a thing, and affects a staggeringly large percentage of people who get covid and do not die, significantly affecting the rest of their lives. One recent study claims an infection impaired-quality-of-life ratio of over 50% ( https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/how-many-people-g…

>we haven't died from the so-called "lockdowns," To be fair, no one here has died from COVID either.

Touché, but I think it's pretty clear that even under the most generous but still fact-based interpretation of the effects of "lockdowns," covid kills a lot more people.

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Post by genousti »

nathan_compton wrote: post #311
q1w2 wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the most eye-opening studies I saw was that social science papers with the most citations, had the highest likelihood of not being reproducible. Meaning that Social Sciences are actually pushing out misinformation more than not.

"A good scientist, in other words, does not merely ignore conventional wisdom, but makes a special effort to break it. Scientists go looking for trouble. This should be the m.o. of any scholar, but scientists seem much more willing to look under rocks." -- Paul Graham.

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Post by ibeckermayer »

peterbonney wrote: post #233
tboyd47 wrote: post #232

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Just like epidemiology, right?

Does epidemiology have a well-publicized replication crisis with numerous examples of outright fraud from high-profile researchers? If so then yes. If not then why don’t you just say what you’re trying to say rather than imply it obliquely in the form of a question?

Too easy

https://www.science.org/content/article/two-elite-medical-jo...

https://covid19up.org/neil-ferguson-fear-driven-predictions/

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Post by peterbonney »

ibeckermayer wrote: post #314
peterbonney wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does epidemiology have a well-publicized replication crisis with numerous examples of outright fraud from high-profile researchers? If so then yes. If not then why don’t you just say what you’re trying to say rather than imply it obliquely in the form of a question?

Too easy https://www.science.org/content/article/two-elite-medical-jo... https://covid19up.org/neil-ferguson-fear-driven-predictions/

The best you can come up with for controversies in epidemiology are from non-epidemiologists?

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Post by hlbjhblbljib »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #176
sirspacey wrote: post #129

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Edit: was intended as response to a reply to this. Appreciate the caution. We took a different approach. Unlimited screen time. Our daughter’s rate of learning is incredible. She willingly explores IRL play. No battles when we ask her to put down her iPad. Roblox and Minecraft are our shared playtime. I was homeschooled with no TV. My experience of her development is similar to what I experienced with my siblings. A…

> bankrupt in both their pedagogy and their budgets The budget woes are a myth. The US spends more on education than most other countries in exchange for middle of the pack results comparable to less developed countries with far lower budgets. The main budgetary problem is bureaucratic. The schools get more than enough money, but the teachers aren't the ones who decide how to spend it, so a teacher who wants more sch…

No. The problem with the US is that private schools exist. Once you separate kids in to private and public there is no will to improve public schooling.

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Post by porknubbins »

Izkata wrote: post #225
satysin wrote: post #219

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Since going [near] unlimited screen time we have seen a huge change in how our son (8yo) engages with the iPad and computer which has resulted in a much happier and healthier use of technology. As soon as the iPad/computer was no longer "special" due to time limitations it sort of lost its "power" over him. He was much more open to using it for things other than games and funny videos. I felt a bit dumb when I realis…

> As soon as the iPad/computer was no longer "special" due to time limitations it sort of lost its "power" over him. Back in 9th grade when I was 14 or 15, we had a substitute teacher who was just out of college and our regular teacher hadn't prepared any sort of lesson plan for her, so instead of doing what we were supposed to we somehow got into a long conversation about adulthood. The part that's always stuck with…

In a way it sounds like a naive question but some percent of people will get drunk all the time because it is available, or over use games/devices to the detriment of everything else in their lives. I think in the end all parents can really do is try model a more balanced, well rounded life and hope their kids want that for themselves.

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Post by legerdemain »

syshum wrote: post #238
peterbonney wrote: post #209

I think I say this every time I see a headline like this on HN, but I'll say it again: The past decade of social science research publication has proven that provocative-sounding results should be considered fraudulent until the underlying data has been published, and then (assuming the data passes muster) should be regarded with skepticism until independently replicated with a fresh data set.

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Social "scientists" and journalists are alike in that both seek to mislead using misleading and often madeup Statistics. The world would be much better off without either one.

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Post by reducesuffering »

hlbjhblbljib wrote: post #316
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #176

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> bankrupt in both their pedagogy and their budgets The budget woes are a myth. The US spends more on education than most other countries in exchange for middle of the pack results comparable to less developed countries with far lower budgets. The main budgetary problem is bureaucratic. The schools get more than enough money, but the teachers aren't the ones who decide how to spend it, so a teacher who wants more sch…

No. The problem with the US is that private schools exist. Once you separate kids in to private and public there is no will to improve public schooling.

“I am so, so tired of socialists who admit that the current system is a helltopian torturescape, then argue that we must prevent anyone from ever being able to escape it. Who promise that once the last alternative is closed off, once the last nice green place where a few people manage to hold off the miseries of the world is crushed, why then the helltopian torturescape will become a lovely utopia full of rainbows and unicorns. If you can make your system less miserable, make your system less miserable! Do it before forcing everyone else to participate in it under pain of imprisonment if they refuse! Forcing everyone to participate in your system and then making your system something other than a meat-grinder that takes in happy children and spits out dead-eyed traumatized eighteen-year-olds who have written 10,000 pages on symbolism in To Kill A Mockingbird and had zero normal happy experiences - is doing things super, super backwards!”

https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/book-review-the-cult-o...

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