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Pfizer’s Covid-19 Pill is 89% Effective in Phase 2/3 Study

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Re: Pfizer’s Covid-19 Pill is 89% Effective in Phase 2/3 Study

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Post by mlyle »

jmarbach wrote: post #66
stavros wrote: post #32

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English isn't my native language, but I thought "proven" wasn't a synonym for "I asked my friends".

It's a fair critique. But when the Captain of an airplane I'm flying on tells me there's an emergency problem with the flaps, I don't ask him for text book evidence, I just look out at the wings and verify the problem. Check this data in a few weeks. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-s...

So, you cite data showing very high efficacy of the vaccine, and are like -- look at it in a few weeks!

Omicron is going to make it worse, but even unboosted folks in South Africa seem to enjoy about 30% efficacy against infection and much higher efficacy against hospitalization and death. But your gossip trumps the data, I guess...

Re: Pfizer’s Covid-19 Pill is 89% Effective in Phase 2/3 Study

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Post by lkbm »

jmarbach wrote: post #66
stavros wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

English isn't my native language, but I thought "proven" wasn't a synonym for "I asked my friends".

It's a fair critique. But when the Captain of an airplane I'm flying on tells me there's an emergency problem with the flaps, I don't ask him for text book evidence, I just look out at the wings and verify the problem. Check this data in a few weeks. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-s...

The data you link says that unvaccinated people have 5x the risk of testing positive as vaccinated (no booster) as of October (Slightly higher for Pfizer, lower for J&J). I believe that's 80% efficacy. How do you get 10%?

Note also that this data is as of October 2021, so it's primarily looking at the efficacy against the Delta, whereas the original 90-whatever % claims were obviously the original virus.

Pfizer et al certainly weren't saying in March 2021 that "Pfizer provide 90-100% protection against COVID and all future variants" and I've never heard anyone suggest they thought that's what the claim was.

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Post by desine »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #100
desine wrote: post #86

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>The reproducibility crisis is real and affects more than "some studies in some areas". >"Peer review" rarely means more than "JSTOR search for something that supports my claim, quick skim for obvious errors, cite and publish" >"Science" is only "accurate by definition" when it's done correctly. Buying scientists is cheaper than buying politicians, in practice.

And obviously all this means we should fallback to armchair philosophy. (fyi jstor does not even fully cover one single area of knowledge)

If it means we can start applying critical thinking again, maybe

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Post by adriancr »

tim333 wrote: post #96
eli wrote: post #79

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The data was real the first time. The virus got worse.

Presumably this data is against Delta or an earlier variant but by the time it's in use covid will be 99% Omicron. I wonder how that will effect things.

sadly by the time omicron would reach 99% we might have another variant and cycle repeats.

Data released is with what was present, in time we'll get for the rest as well... Omicron right now is too new to actually know effectiveness...

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Post by noahtallen »

fivea wrote: post #89
whb07 wrote: post #76

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> Can’t wait for the follow on months of real data disproving their terrible study. Can you please elaborate on exactly which study are you referring to and your reasoning to accuse it of being "terrible"? Meanwhile, we've endured at least two strains which are significantly different than the original 2019 Wuhan strain, and thanks to the vaccine the mortality risk has dropped to residual levels.

And even better, the mortality risk has dropped despite increased social activity! While maybe the number of cases has yet to be mitigated, those have at least not spiked significantly despite previously cautious people returning to many normal activities (such as dining in, movies, and travel). It’s a big win :)

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Post by ghiculescu »

tootie wrote: post #87
yosito wrote: post #28

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> Fucking Republicans As a vaccinated, boosted republican, this attitude isn't helping. Yeah, there are a bunch of idiotic republican politicians out there. But there are also a lot of idiotic democrat politicians out there who aren't making COVID policy decisions based on science and evidence, but based on their ideological side: outdoor mask mandates, travel bans, blocking people's access to their own private prope…

That's a false equivalency. Republicans have been far, far worse. They have been anti-science across the board on all kinds of policy. Donald Trump is absolute low point in American history. The guy who said vaccines cause autism, pushed unproven and dangerous treatments, pressured scientists to change their recommendations, called climate change a hoax, wanted to nuke a hurricane and rake a forest. He owns the party…

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Post by tootie »

jiggawatts wrote: post #45
desine wrote: post #3

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I think it's more accurate to say Ivermectin works _as_ an anti-parasitic which was already known. The WHO does, in fact, recommend its use on covid patients who are at high risk for parasitic infection due to geography and steroid use. This is almost exclusively going to be in poor and tropical regions.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/11/18/ivermect...

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Post by Msw242 »

chki wrote: post #71
johnisgood wrote: post #53

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But I am not vaccinated for health reasons. When are we going to start differentiating? Were I not a freelancer, I would have lost my job because I am not vaccinated, for health reasons. It is a pretty shitty thing to do to people.

I'm sorry if this is inappropriate but what health reasons prevent you from getting vaccinated?

There are allergies to vaccines (not to the dose, but to everything else that is in the concoction that enables it to work). Also, immunocompromised people often can't take vaccines.

Usually you can get a doctor's note explaining this, and you can participate in daily life normally (like going to school or college, which rightfully require vaccinations).

I don't know if policy around the COVID vaccine is different... But I'd be surprised if it were?

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Post by cltby »

tootie wrote: post #87
yosito wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Fucking Republicans As a vaccinated, boosted republican, this attitude isn't helping. Yeah, there are a bunch of idiotic republican politicians out there. But there are also a lot of idiotic democrat politicians out there who aren't making COVID policy decisions based on science and evidence, but based on their ideological side: outdoor mask mandates, travel bans, blocking people's access to their own private prope…

That's a false equivalency. Republicans have been far, far worse. They have been anti-science across the board on all kinds of policy. Donald Trump is absolute low point in American history. The guy who said vaccines cause autism, pushed unproven and dangerous treatments, pressured scientists to change their recommendations, called climate change a hoax, wanted to nuke a hurricane and rake a forest. He owns the party…

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