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Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by BrazzVuvuzela »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #586
FooBarWidget wrote: post #543

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US removed troops as part of the One Child Policy. That policy is now being undermined by the DPP, US and Lituania, where "undermining" includes selling weapons to Taiwan, sailing more warships near China, and AUKUS. It's not exactly a peaceful situation right now where China's worries are completely made up.

> The US removed troops as part of the One Child Policy. Say what? Can you give some background (and, especially, evidence or documentation) for this? Because that sounds completely insane.

He means the One China Policy. But CogitoCogito is right. China is only be "contained" by Taiwan in the hypothetical circumstance of a war; during peace time they obviously have no trouble sending ships around the world and are not contained in any sense. And the only reason they haven't been able to bring Taiwan into the fold is because they keep making psychotic violent threats. All China needs to do to completely resolve any problems with Taiwan is stop being nuts.

China obviously doesn't want the matter resolved peacefully, if at all, because they use this conflict for internal control.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by ericjang »

pphysch wrote: post #562
DangitBobby wrote: post #540

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What are your thoughts on what China has done to Taiwan or the Uyghurs?

Taiwan: 1. PRC has a very clear national security interest in Taiwan not being ruled by an unpredictable regime that may host American weapon systems pointed at the mainland. See Cuban/Soviet Missile Crisis. Coincidentally, similar situation going on with Russia and Ukraine right now. 2. If/when the DPP regime falls and is replaced by a more "independent" government, that government will naturally be favorable to joi…

Thanks for taking the time to write this out. Two questions, followed by a response to one of your comments:

1) On the Uyghur issue. If what you say is true, why is it difficult to get CSPAN footage in Xinjiang?

2) Is there a hypothetical future event or evidence that would shift your viewpoint to believe the "western narrative"? If so, what is it?

> Women being lifted out of poverty became "genocide through birthrate suppression".

It can simultaneously be true that the heavy-handed actions (as you put it) successfully lifted women out of poverty, and also violated their individual human rights. The words we use to describe these actions aren't mutually exclusive truths.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by satronaut »

notpachet wrote: post #513
satronaut wrote: post #498

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unfortunately most people on this website aren't rational, and either want to be a victim or want to be a hero, and view the current state of affairs as their chance to fill that mold.

I believe this comment says more about yourself than it does about others.

that I'm a free thinking, rational person?

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Post by icouldbebetter »

maybelsyrup wrote: post #384
GekkePrutser wrote: post #328

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I agree.. I wish more countries would take a stand like this. But my own country (the Netherlands) are all about commerce and big business, they don't care about ideology.

> are all about commerce and big business This is ideology

Yes, but an empty ideology nonetheless.

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Post by lmilcin »

Enginerrrd wrote: post #583
manquer wrote: post #101

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The principle does not have to be ethical or moral or consistent to a philosophy. What OP saying is china does the ability (and uses it) to make unpopular decisions both to Chinese corporations or people unlike other politicians who are beholden to either voters or corporations. The kind of censure that Jack Ma had for example would be impossible to imagine to say Elon Musk in the US .

OP of the subject comment here: Yes, this is the correct interpretation. I wasn't trying to argue that China's principles are superior, let alone even ethical.

You can be both lawful and evil character, at the same time, as any D&D player will tell you.

Sadly, people misunderstand those two basic concepts.

Autocratic systems are better in some ways. For example, they can be very efficient. CCP says something and it is done. Is it good/right? It is completely different topic.

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Post by synergy20 »

nowherebeen wrote: post #584
synergy20 wrote: post #582

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People of all color lost temper all the time, that normally gets improved when they age. The "Red Guards" (i.e. culture revolution) generation from China indeed stood out as a group that acts very differently. They are always ready to _fight_ with anyone just because of different opinions, thus the aggressiveness. It's a life long disease that keeps getting worse with no cure.

I agree there are many in China that feel ready to fight. But I don’t judge all Chinese people like so. Just like I don’t judge all Americans act like their Republican politicians either. Imagine if someone called all Americans are loud, obnoxious, fat, and dumb. Something that is frequently claimed by most Europeans about Americans. This wouldn’t be fair to regular Americans, would it? What OP is doing is pre-labeli…

Where did you see someone targeting _all_ Chinese? I did not see that. The point here is the red-guard generation in general is a bit unique, that's about it. All or nothing argument is dead on arrival, we all know that.

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Post by pphysch »

ericjang wrote: post #602
pphysch wrote: post #562

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taiwan: 1. PRC has a very clear national security interest in Taiwan not being ruled by an unpredictable regime that may host American weapon systems pointed at the mainland. See Cuban/Soviet Missile Crisis. Coincidentally, similar situation going on with Russia and Ukraine right now. 2. If/when the DPP regime falls and is replaced by a more "independent" government, that government will naturally be favorable to joi…

Thanks for taking the time to write this out. Two questions, followed by a response to one of your comments: 1) On the Uyghur issue. If what you say is true, why is it difficult to get CSPAN footage in Xinjiang? 2) Is there a hypothetical future event or evidence that would shift your viewpoint to believe the "western narrative"? If so, what is it? > Women being lifted out of poverty became "genocide through birthrat…

> Is there a hypothetical future event or evidence that would shift your viewpoint to believe the "western narrative"? If so, what is it?

A good start would be a motive for why Beijing would do a Holocaust against peoples within China.

Hitler had a motive, you can read all about it in Mein Kampf. It was out in the open. There is nothing even remotely resembling such a policy by Beijing.

On the other hand, there is a very clear motive for why Washington would spread misinformation about Beijing. So to believe Washington's story is to put on my blinders towards Washington's interests and simultaneously accept that Xi Jinping is a comic book villain. Sorry, but that is ridiculous.

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Post by aembleton »

geff82 wrote: post #260
motiejus wrote: post #200

I am Lithuanian; Lithuania Taiwan PRC conflict is frequently a topic of discussion these days among my peers. My position, shared by a few others, is that this is the next best thing that happened in Lithuania after leaving USSR: the first being joining NATO and EU in 2004. Everyone in the world can (and almost everyone do) endorse PRC. "You won't get fired for picking IBM/Oracle/PRC". While very few countries have t…

What interesting software or locally producing electronics companies are there in Lithuania? I will by something from them instantly.

For cheap hosting https://www.time4vps.com/

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Post by dang »

tomp wrote: post #599
dang wrote: post #592

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> Are you a PRC-funded troll or misinformation spreader? You can't post like this to HN, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. If you have evidence of abuse, you should send it to us at hn@ycombinator.com so we can look into it. If you don't, you should remember that the vast majority of these perceptions on the internet are completely imaginary. Either way, you should be editing such swipes o…

Sorry. I said it partially tongue-in-cheek. What would be an appropriate response to someone who's posted several comments to the same top-level post, all of which are grossly misleading and/or complete strawmen? Obviously I don't have evidence of "abuse" (is this even abuse? obviously people can be trolls without being big-co/gov funded) but I'd like to point out the above fact to other commenters who might not have…

In terms of posting to HN itself, an appropriate response would be to refute bad arguments with better arguments and/or incorrect information with correct information—or alternatively, to remember that to a first approximation, everyone is wrong on the internet, and just let it go. You don't need to do more than that for other commenters; they can take care of themselves.

If an account is behaving badly, such as by repeatedly breaking the site guidelines, sending a heads-up to hn@ycombinator.com so we can look into it is also an appropriate response.

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Post by whimsicalism »

dang wrote: post #598
whimsicalism wrote: post #428

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Do you all really not see how our media has a hand in this at all?

Could you please not post flamewar comments to HN? Several (I'm not saying all of them) of your comments in this thread have been doing that. This is not what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Fair, and I can see that we've diverged from the subject of the article. I might suggest that

> It's like they want the rest of the world to hate them.

is a pretty incendiary comment, but I will avoid fanning the flames in the future.

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