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Clumps of human brain cells in a dish can learn to play Pong faster than an AI

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Re: Clumps of human brain cells in a dish can learn to play Pong faster than an AI

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Post by amelius »

dragontamer wrote: post #29

With "Evangelion" being in the (Hacker) news recently, I hope to remind people of this one scene... An advanced AI named "The Three Magi" (which are 3-programs which vote for strategic effects) exists in the show. Without going too much into details, a problem occurs in the AI, so the lead scientist Ritsuko steps into the machine to check things out. She comes with a circular saw. She cuts open one computer (the one…

I can already envision HFT traders putting human brains into boxes which are then colocated at the exchanges and everyone thinks it's okay.

Re: Clumps of human brain cells in a dish can learn to play Pong faster than an AI

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Post by calo_star »

dragontamer wrote: post #29

With "Evangelion" being in the (Hacker) news recently, I hope to remind people of this one scene... An advanced AI named "The Three Magi" (which are 3-programs which vote for strategic effects) exists in the show. Without going too much into details, a problem occurs in the AI, so the lead scientist Ritsuko steps into the machine to check things out. She comes with a circular saw. She cuts open one computer (the one…

That scene was so cool in a disturbing way!

Re: Clumps of human brain cells in a dish can learn to play Pong faster than an AI

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Post by hlbjhblbljib »

fouc wrote: post #16
kregasaurusrex wrote: post #12

Full paper on bioRxiv: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.02.471005v1

"In vitro neurons learn and exhibit sentience when embodied in a simulated game-world" Exhibiting sentience, that's a bit awkward ethically speaking.. Even though this type of testing will help us understand how our brains work.

ethics only comes in when they exhibit consciousness.

Re: Clumps of human brain cells in a dish can learn to play Pong faster than an AI

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Post by damiankennedy »

But seriously, I wonder if the "clump of human brain cells" gets tired or needs to sleep or, need any other nourishment. The COHBC might learn faster but can it then keep playing at the same level 24/7?

edit: disclaimer, I am a COHBC.

Re: Clumps of human brain cells in a dish can learn to play Pong faster than an AI

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Post by amelius »

323 wrote: post #3

They should also compare human brain cells with chimp/dog/... brain cells. See if the human ones perform better, which would suggest there is an advantage even at the lowest cellular level.

They should also compare different regions of the human brain. See which ones learn better, and which ones are closer to animals in terms of learning.

Re: Clumps of human brain cells in a dish can learn to play Pong faster than an AI

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Post by cblconfederate »

323 wrote: post #3

They should also compare human brain cells with chimp/dog/... brain cells. See if the human ones perform better, which would suggest there is an advantage even at the lowest cellular level.

They compared human induced stem cells with real mouse cells, and human cells learned better.

Re: Clumps of human brain cells in a dish can learn to play Pong faster than an AI

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Post by cblconfederate »

BariumBlue wrote: post #21
CactusOnFire wrote: post #2

The concept of using human neural networks instead of artificial neural networks is both terrifying and intriguing.

Samsung Z-35, now with 50% more HBC (Human Brain Cell) inside!

Don't forget to feed your phone, it might die!

Re: Clumps of human brain cells in a dish can learn to play Pong faster than an AI

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Post by cblconfederate »

gus_massa wrote: post #33

I cant find the part about "faster than AI" in the research paper. It's very difficult to compare. Do you use a single computer or a cluster? Do you compare wall clock time, or energy consumption, or weigh of the processor, or ...?

Me neither, i don't think that was the interesting part about the paper at all, but the fact that they were even able to train a clump of cells to do something is very exciting. Also their finding that human cells work better than mouse cells.

Re: Clumps of human brain cells in a dish can learn to play Pong faster than an AI

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Post by dr1337 »

amelius wrote: post #41
dragontamer wrote: post #29

With "Evangelion" being in the (Hacker) news recently, I hope to remind people of this one scene... An advanced AI named "The Three Magi" (which are 3-programs which vote for strategic effects) exists in the show. Without going too much into details, a problem occurs in the AI, so the lead scientist Ritsuko steps into the machine to check things out. She comes with a circular saw. She cuts open one computer (the one…

I can already envision HFT traders putting human brains into boxes which are then colocated at the exchanges and everyone thinks it's okay.

They're already doing it with mice! - https://www.pymnts.com/cryptocurrency/2021/crypto-trading-ro...

Re: Clumps of human brain cells in a dish can learn to play Pong faster than an AI

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Post by dr1337 »

kgc wrote: post #39
pezzana wrote: post #5

Paywalled. From an earlier article in Forbes: > Using real neurons avoids several other difficulties that software-based neural networks have. For instance, to get artificial neural networks to start learning well, their programmers usually have to engage in a laborious process of manually adjusting the initial coefficients, or weights, that will be applied to each type of data point the network processes. Another ch…

There is a company working on biologically inspired neural chips called Rain Neuromorphics. https://rain.ai

Yeah but there are lots of companies doing this already including Intel that has poured millions into their Loihi neuromorphic chips.
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