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Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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Most GPS trackers however need a SIM card, which would be traceable.

No - you buy a burner phone at any convenience store, using cash, pop the sim card out of the phone, and put it into the GPS tracker.

Good to know. We don't have burner phones over here, and can't verify, however I thought their SIM cards were locked so that they couldn't be used on other devices.

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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Read on the news that this kind of tracking with AirTags is used to steal cars. A car thief attaches it to the target vehicle, and then simply arrives to the place where it is parked overnight. The thief removes AirTag and then waits for an opportunity to steal the car.

How is that better that just stealing a car without the airtag?

You can steal the car in a quiet area at night when the odds of being caught are much lower. It allows the criminal to pick the time and place of the crime, rather than it being dictated by luck and coincidence.

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"Of sexual abuse cases reported to law enforcement, 93% of juvenile victims knew the perpetrator: 59% were acquaintances. 34% were family members. 7% were strangers to the victim. also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquaintance_rape >this morning while I was asleep I had someone close to me check my car and they found it stuck on the underside of my front passenger wheel well. I wish he took pics before he threw it a…

Victims make poor decisions all the time. It doesn't really imply the story is false - although I happen to find this story unconvincing also.

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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This is news just because it's an Apple device being used for something that was already trivially possible. GPS trackers designed to be magnet-attached to a car which report their location via cell signal cost ~$20 on Amazon. You then tend to need to pay for either a SIM card or a subscription to the device maker's service -- bringing you up to about the cost of an AirTag. These are much harder to detect, as you mig…

I am wondering: - Would a GPS tracker placed at this position be able to catch the GPS signal? If I understand it correctly, an airtag communicate via bluetooth and would get the location from a phone in range? - An airtag do not require a SIM card. Are they easily traceable or is it hard to get to the owner?

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Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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> AirTags will also beep if they're separated from their owner. Why didn't the AirTag beep in this situation? She said she went around the car trying to find it.

I’m sure it’s trivial to physically disable the beep speaker.

Well, anything that involves precise drilling isn't really what I'd call "trivial". But it's definitely doable.

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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I suspect this has a lot to do with apple raising awareness of tracking capabilities. I'd love to know if other forms of this attack increase as a result.

When tweets or news articles like this get popular, I can't help thinking this has a Streisand effect. Crazy stalker people who didn't know they could do this now know they can.

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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> stop being afraid of the homeless and black people I'm not afraid of homeless and black people, I'm afraid of clinically insane people. The kind which are not legally responsible for their actions. And why did you pick "Assault by sharp object: 1,805" instead of "Assault by firearm: 10,801" or just "Assault: 16,765"? Maybe because that changes the odds from 1 vs 5 to 1 vs 50.

Sorry, that was overly provocative and arguably unjustifiably personal. I apologize. The point is that the statistics do not back up many fears. > And why did you pick "Assault by sharp object: 1,805" instead of "Assault by firearm: 10,801" or just "Assault: 16,765"? The example was a 'stabbing rampage', that was specifically to try and find the number of knife attacks in the US resulting in fatality, and out of thos…

> The point is that the statistics do not back up many fears

There is a saying, Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics. Or "tell me what you want the conclusion to be and I'll tell you what statistical method to apply to the data". Also known as "torturing the data".

In the case of bathtub fatality, the majority of them are either very young or very old (kind of like covid):

> Drowning occurred most often in a bath tub for persons under 1 year of age and for adults aged 85 and over

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db149.htm

If you adjust for age, that will make the bathtub/knife odds even worse.

But on a more meta level, how do you feel about Nassim Taleb. My sense is that you don't like him, because he talks a lot about so called "irrational logic of fearing terrorists more than bathtubs", and he calls this behaviour extremely rational.

https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/832234355552559104

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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The worst part of this is, if you don’t have an iPhone, you’ll never know if you’re being tracked. Edit: Yes, I know there’s an app. Do you think more than 1% of victims will have it installed?

Not true, no app is necessary. The AirTag will start beeping once it's been separated from its owner for longer than 8-24 hours.

It used to be after 3 days. It was only changed to hours because of cases like this.
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