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Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by mindslight »

nitrogen wrote: post #131
bryan0 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Half the problem is no one has actually expressed a goal we're working towards. Yeah I don’t think the goals have been clear, even if they have been changing over time. I think the clearest goal now should be a 90% vaccination rate to turn Covid into the common cold, and then going back to life as normal, but as long as huge swathes of the population refuse to get vaccinated this goal is unattainable. Edit: I belie…

their goal is simply to not be told what to do The urge to resist force is a vital element of US culture as a check on runaway governments. You see it in many movements, on both sides for or against. Women don't want to be forced to carry a baby. LGBT community doesn't want to be forced to hide. Christians don't want to be forced to stop praying in school. Non-Christians don't want to be forced to listen to prayers i…

The vast majority of people refusing to get vaccinated are doing so because a centralized top-down political machine told them to be against vaccination. This is about as un-libertarian as one can get.

As a libertarian that is actually concerned with freedom, the main thing the Trumpertantrum has accomplished is discrediting the concept. Back when it was a small subset of antivax nutters, causing at most an occasional localized outbreak, I had sympathy for people's right to make their own bad decisions. Now the political machine took up the banner and created a force majeure situation, so I'm just done.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by dude187 »

nitrogen wrote: post #131
bryan0 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Half the problem is no one has actually expressed a goal we're working towards. Yeah I don’t think the goals have been clear, even if they have been changing over time. I think the clearest goal now should be a 90% vaccination rate to turn Covid into the common cold, and then going back to life as normal, but as long as huge swathes of the population refuse to get vaccinated this goal is unattainable. Edit: I belie…

their goal is simply to not be told what to do The urge to resist force is a vital element of US culture as a check on runaway governments. You see it in many movements, on both sides for or against. Women don't want to be forced to carry a baby. LGBT community doesn't want to be forced to hide. Christians don't want to be forced to stop praying in school. Non-Christians don't want to be forced to listen to prayers i…

The long held WHO goal of international vaccine passports is the reason I won't get the shot

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by rock_hard »

rkk3 wrote: post #258
nkrisc wrote: post #187

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> Cool, but what if your son stops watching interesting YT videos and starts playing Fortnite 10 hours a day? Then something else is wrong. That's not a normal behavior that healthy people do, it's a symptom of some other problem in their life. Thanks to the pandemic, my son has learned that screens can be boring, and it's not all that exciting anymore after too much time. He's learned to put it down and find somethi…

> Then something else is wrong. That's not a normal behavior that healthy people do, it's a symptom of some other problem in their life. Not really... games are designed to be incredibly addictive, can be social activities and have much lower physical consequences/withdrawals from misuse. Don't find Rat-Park as a convincing explanation for why high schools boys might prefer Fortnite to Zoom Class.

And kids will have to learn to deal with that!

It’s your job as a parent to provide exposure and teach

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by dude187 »

bryan0 wrote: post #62
colordrops wrote: post #10

At this point in the pandemic we've should have come up with models that factor in the externalities of lockdown and factor that into policy decisions. That somehow still hasn't happened. People say "things are pretty much back to normal" but parents with kids in school know this is not true.

> At this point in the pandemic we've should have come up with models that factor in the externalities of lockdown and factor that into policy decisions. That somehow still hasn't happened. What makes you think it hasn’t? I’m sure all lockdown decision makers are looking at these models along with models of hospital capacity. > People say "things are pretty much back to normal" but parents with kids in school know th…

Nobody has looked at any of the externalities. They strip freedom with impunity based on a guess that it will do anything, with that guess having been thoroughly disproven by now

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by bryan0 »

evilduck wrote: post #205
bryan0 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At this point in the pandemic we've should have come up with models that factor in the externalities of lockdown and factor that into policy decisions. That somehow still hasn't happened. What makes you think it hasn’t? I’m sure all lockdown decision makers are looking at these models along with models of hospital capacity. > People say "things are pretty much back to normal" but parents with kids in school know th…

My kids wear masks to school too. My oldest is probably not as heavily impacted by this but I feel like my younger child has been (started K in 2019). He doesn't really know what his friends look like, he doesn't get to see facial expressions of his teachers or peers as part of their emotions, he doesn't get to see the teacher enunciate words with their mouth, he's spent a lot of time learning virtually at a young ag…

These are good points. I especially relate with the lack of extra curricular activities. I would just say that I think these effects are negligible compared to keeping kids at home with virtual learning.

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Post by hulahoof »

q1w2 wrote: post #221
peterbonney wrote: post #209

I think I say this every time I see a headline like this on HN, but I'll say it again: The past decade of social science research publication has proven that provocative-sounding results should be considered fraudulent until the underlying data has been published, and then (assuming the data passes muster) should be regarded with skepticism until independently replicated with a fresh data set.

One of the most eye-opening studies I saw was that social science papers with the most citations, had the highest likelihood of not being reproducible. Meaning that Social Sciences are actually pushing out misinformation more than not.

Is this somehow a flow on effect of more commonly cited papers having more reproduction attempts?

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Post by ben_w »

Izkata wrote: post #229
ben_w wrote: post #207

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That is fascinating and surprising; I previously considered a Darmok -like language to be implausible, but it sounds like that’s exactly what you’re experiencing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darmok (Edit: my inner cynic just popped up the question “are you sure she’s not just being a stereotypical teenager?” even though you didn’t mention her age).

I'd argue we've had hints of it for centuries in the form of idioms, such as "kicked the bucket".

The important part of the Darmok episode is that the language is just catchphrases from longer stories, not that it contains some examples of that.

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Post by dude187 »

zzzeek wrote: post #88

you know what really impacts early cognitive performance? having one's parents die from covid. So while social distancing, closings, and masks completely suck, they have been necessary in order to attempt to maintain public health, and without them, there would have been vastly more deaths.

None of that works. Covid is here to stay. You're just saying that these kids should hide their face and stay away from their friends for their whole life

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Post by [deleted] »

ipaddr wrote: post #184
zitterbewegung wrote: post #179

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This post is so typical of all scientific posts to HN. Person posts negatively to the research and they never look at p valued or sample sizes. Also, they disregard any other possible research . Then a few to a hundred posts refuting the parent with anecdotal evidence of both positive and negative outcomes especially when science doesn’t work in anecdotal evidence which is the point of science and it basically shows…

And someone always posts a message like yours without actually reading the parent post. In the parent they suggest a greater trend spanning 2017 onward which isn't being mentioned. Large or small p value isn't the issue here

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Post by dang »

dude187 wrote: post #267
dessant wrote: post #42

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Yes, times are tough for everyone, including children. I find it even more abhorrent to single out masks because "you can't see people's faces", while ignoring what their purpose is and what can they prevent. We've seen enough idiots decimate their family and friends while repeating this exact same argument.

Hiding your face does not eliminate covid. Stop hiding your face because you're scared

Could you please stop posting flamewar comments to Hacker News? You've been doing it repeatedly, unfortunately.

Also, it looks like your account has swerved into using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's not allowed here, regardless of ideology, because it destroys what this site is supposed to be for. I had to go all the way back to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29190538 to see a comment that wasn't like this.

That's not ok. I don't want to ban you, so if you would please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the intended use of the site, we'd appreciate it.

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