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Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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Couldn't someone just slip a phone in a bag to do the same thing?

Yes, but that’s probably a larger and more expensive device.

I don't think the limiting factor in child abductions is a few hundred dollars in the kidnapper's possession.

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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post #86

This is news just because it's an Apple device being used for something that was already trivially possible. GPS trackers designed to be magnet-attached to a car which report their location via cell signal cost ~$20 on Amazon. You then tend to need to pay for either a SIM card or a subscription to the device maker's service -- bringing you up to about the cost of an AirTag. These are much harder to detect, as you mig…

> This is news just because it's an Apple device being used for something that was already trivially possible. Or it's news because unlike GPS trackers, AirTags create the ability to be psychologically abusive to victims by attaching them to cars or dropping them in purses at little cost, risk, or effort. Wanna take a guess as to how many assholes out there just want to make a mouthy cunt from the bar lose sleep vs.…

>Wanna take a guess as to how many assholes out there just want to make a mouthy cunt from the bar lose sleep

Hey it might be easy to forget we're talking about a real person here, and I'm sure you mean this is how a hypothetical person could be perceived by another hypothetical person, but this kind of language directed at a victim of a stalking attempt feels really icky.

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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post #182

It's baffling how Apple on the one hand claims that user privacy is the most important thing to them, but on the other hand they built an anonymous tracking network that can be abused for many nefarious purposes, and everyone who has an iPhone was made a part of the network whether they like it or not. There are so many things that are questionable about Airtags. Another way to abuse it would be for example, you coul…

How is this is any way an anonymous tracker? The police could get a subpoena for Apple to divulge the iCloud account, credit card, and phone number of the owner of this AirTag. Using air tags to conduct illegal activity is stupid.

Huh, right, with all the talk about the privacy preserving location sharing, I missed that Airtags have a serial number that Apple can look up.

However, my main criticism (that Apple customers were not asked whether they want to participate in a network that may indirectly reveal their location) still stands.

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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Number of times I've had a true positive alert from Apple's new device tracking notifications: 0 Number of times I've had false positives due to intermittent connectivity issues with my airpods or from my partner using mine: over a dozen. I'm this close to disabling all of these features

This is a general problem with proactive alerts related to rare events. How many "OMG, you're separated from $X" alerts am I willing to put up with for the one legitimate "You just left $X in the restaurant!" alert.

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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post #206

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I do recongnize that. Does only the first person selling a dangerous product deserve scorn? "X did it first!" is the excuse of a toddler. They've also made it easier than gps trackers (no sim card needed), probably safer for stalkers (does Apple have a way to report AirTags used for crime and/or find out who owns it?) and it's more effective than Tile. It also favors their own ecosystem, because only iphone owners ge…

Beating up on Apple for making something LESS able to be abused and more transparent/understandable just seems disingenuous though? The difference in level of abuse for something that will actively draw attention to itself after some period of time vs something of the same cost that was previously widely available and was more subtle and would not, is pretty big. And it is in the favor of Apple not being abusive or f…

So if there exists anyone who does something slightly worse, everyone else gets a pass? Our prisons will be emptier at least.

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is news just because it's an Apple device being used for something that was already trivially possible. Or it's news because unlike GPS trackers, AirTags create the ability to be psychologically abusive to victims by attaching them to cars or dropping them in purses at little cost, risk, or effort. Wanna take a guess as to how many assholes out there just want to make a mouthy cunt from the bar lose sleep vs.…

Why exactly is it lower effort than a cellular GPS tracker from Amazon? They're around the same size, and roughly the same cost.

When you open a GPS tracker you find a SIM and that's enough to identify the owner in any country that requires an ID to get a SIM. AirTags are anonymous by design AFAIK. Furthermore the owner is spared with the burden of getting a SIM (time and cost), ID or not.

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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post #86

This is news just because it's an Apple device being used for something that was already trivially possible. GPS trackers designed to be magnet-attached to a car which report their location via cell signal cost ~$20 on Amazon. You then tend to need to pay for either a SIM card or a subscription to the device maker's service -- bringing you up to about the cost of an AirTag. These are much harder to detect, as you mig…

> This is news just because it's an Apple device being used for something that was already trivially possible. Or it's news because unlike GPS trackers, AirTags create the ability to be psychologically abusive to victims by attaching them to cars or dropping them in purses at little cost, risk, or effort. Wanna take a guess as to how many assholes out there just want to make a mouthy cunt from the bar lose sleep vs.…

I suspect your estimate of the commonality of such behavior reflects more on you and your social group’s predilections than anything

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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post #196

While it’s theoretically possible that this happened, I think this particular story was made up. For a number of reasons: 1) How did the stalker know that that’s her car? She said she was on a night out. Unless she went back to her car all the time, he must have seen her arrive in it. 2) Sticking an AirTag to the inside of the front wheel well isn’t easy. There is dirt and grime there and the surfaces aren’t flat. Th…

Not to disagree with your overall point, but on #2 magnets work well for this and there are a lot of “hide-a-key” type things on the market that are often used in wheel wells by people who have a history of locking their keys in their car.

Good point, but may I add 5) AirTags are a very expensive way of stalking someone. Surely, there may be some creeps willing to put up this sort of money. But some random guy who sees her on a night out and who happens to have an AirTag with attached magnet with him? And if that was indeed the case, wouldn’t there be some pretext to this, like someone hitting on her that night and she turned him away? She doesn’t mention anything in this regard.

So no, this story doesn’t line up and looks more like cheap attention grabbing at the expensive of a real problem with Apple’s AirTags.

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

#230

It's baffling how Apple on the one hand claims that user privacy is the most important thing to them, but on the other hand they built an anonymous tracking network that can be abused for many nefarious purposes, and everyone who has an iPhone was made a part of the network whether they like it or not. There are so many things that are questionable about Airtags. Another way to abuse it would be for example, you coul…

> Another way to abuse it would be for example, you could place an Airtag somewhere on an iPhone users driveway, and use it to determine when they arrive home by checking for pings. The victim won't even see a notification, since the Airtag is stationary.

You can hide an arbitrary device near a victim's driveway and your choice of surveillance device is an Airtag? Come on.

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