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Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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I wonder how this relates to children born in war zones. One of my parents was born smack in the middle of world war II, the other went through it as a young teenager. Nobody seemed to care one bit about their cognitive performance, reduced or otherwise, as long as they managed to survive first.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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post #197

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So basically a deregulated, market based approach. This will work great in wealthy areas with good schools with educated and supportive parents.

The idea that poor parents don’t care about their kids’ success enough to want to choose what they perceive to be better schools is belied by the lengthy waiting lists for slots in charter or magnet schools and voucher programs. What we have now is a market-based approach, where the price of admission to a top flight public school system is a $1M mortgage.

The root cause is that you have more or less four choices

* private, which is expensive (and in some cases not a guarantee of quality)

* rich public, which requires probably living in the extremely local school district

* magnet/charter, which usually have whole apparatuses dedicated to securing donor funding similar to how colleges ask former alumni and the wealthy to top up their budgets

* poor public

At least some of the problems might be solvable by consolidating America's extremely local school districts, but that's kind of hard because a lot of the separate school districts were intentionally set up that way to ensure that socioeconomic classes did not have to share schools in a post-segregation world. Even if you did manage to do it, a lot of people would probably pull out and choose private instead.

But it is absolutely insane that in some states "boundary-hopping" school districts can send parents who want the best for their child to jail. http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/ame...

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So basically a deregulated, market based approach. This will work great in wealthy areas with good schools with educated and supportive parents.

The idea that poor parents don’t care about their kids’ success enough to want to choose what they perceive to be better schools is belied by the lengthy waiting lists for slots in charter or magnet schools and voucher programs. What we have now is a market-based approach, where the price of admission to a top flight public school system is a $1M mortgage.

So we are in agreement that what you suggest doesn’t work.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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I think I say this every time I see a headline like this on HN, but I'll say it again: The past decade of social science research publication has proven that provocative-sounding results should be considered fraudulent until the underlying data has been published, and then (assuming the data passes muster) should be regarded with skepticism until independently replicated with a fresh data set.

Sad but true, and extends to economics, psychology, lots of neurological and medical research as well.

Everyone needs pre-registration, and everyone needs open data.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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post #128

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Some antivaxxers are just afraid of needles, so if we had a nasal spray vaccine they’d take it.

I’ve wondered for what % of people this is their main reason for not getting vaccinated….

I imagine it is hard to measure that, since

1. It is a "wimpy" thing to admit to. People are reluctant to think things about themselves which, if admitted aloud, could earn social ridicule.

2. One fear can prompt another and lead to an anxiety spiral which is too overwhelming for someone to even put into words.

Conjecture: The best way to measure it would be to introduce a nasal spray and see what sort of uptick it earns.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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post #34

People who support lockdowns aren't interested in facts; their viewpoints are shaped by marketing. It's been blindingly obvious from the moment we knew that coronavirus had a 1% IFR pre-vaccine that all of the restrictions have been net negative. We're now over 2% of our lives into this _by any definition_, which makes it utterly incontrovertible. That's why we have constant "reminders" everywhere; it's an attempt to…

That math doesn't work out, because the infection fatality ratio measures fatality - non-existence - not impaired existence. Long covid is a thing, and affects a staggeringly large percentage of people who get covid and do not die, significantly affecting the rest of their lives. One recent study claims an infection impaired-quality-of-life ratio of over 50% ( https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/how-many-people-g…

>we haven't died from the so-called "lockdowns,"

To be fair, no one here has died from COVID either.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Would love to see the raw data, but from their own plots you can see that 2017, 2018 and 2019 show a trend that would make the 2020 and 2021 data consistent with the trend. As they show data comparing 2020 and 2021 to the previous years, they could have shown a matrix to compare year over year across the data. I will wait for someone to look at the raw data and peer review the paper before jumping to conclusions. I'm…

Edit: was intended as response to a reply to this. Appreciate the caution. We took a different approach. Unlimited screen time. Our daughter’s rate of learning is incredible. She willingly explores IRL play. No battles when we ask her to put down her iPad. Roblox and Minecraft are our shared playtime. I was homeschooled with no TV. My experience of her development is similar to what I experienced with my siblings. A…

Since going [near] unlimited screen time we have seen a huge change in how our son (8yo) engages with the iPad and computer which has resulted in a much happier and healthier use of technology.

As soon as the iPad/computer was no longer "special" due to time limitations it sort of lost its "power" over him. He was much more open to using it for things other than games and funny videos.

I felt a bit dumb when I realised it was me putting these limits on his use of the iPad and computer that amplified how much "power" they had over his desire to use them.

Obviously there are still some limits but we follow them for ourselves as well (such as no screen time before bed, taking breaks every hour) so they haven't been an issue.

I certainly don't think the devices are the problem but more how we give these devices so much power over kids by holding this magical machine in front of them that can do so damn much then restrict access to them so all they ever want to do is very basic things like game.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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> They will manage just fine because they are exposed to enough maskless people at home and in other social settings The wealthy kids have that opportunity. Kids with natural social skills may be fine too. However, kids with two parents that are working 4 jobs won't reach their full potential. Many kids already have issues from this; and it's awful that their voices and their parents voices - and their psychologists…

This might sound a little callous, but I wonder if it's a long term net positive. In the short term, it's a detriment; they will have to struggle more and will encounter more difficulties in socialization. But that's not necessarily a Unique problem, there have always been kids with these kinds of problems, if not at this rate. And on this short term we're decreasing mortality from covid and hopefully keeping hospita…

I think the problem you're missing is that these are two different groups. Mortality is decreased, sure, and people get social problems, sure, but the people getting the increased social problems are not the ones getting the lowered mortality.
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