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Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by gopher_space »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #176
sirspacey wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: was intended as response to a reply to this. Appreciate the caution. We took a different approach. Unlimited screen time. Our daughter’s rate of learning is incredible. She willingly explores IRL play. No battles when we ask her to put down her iPad. Roblox and Minecraft are our shared playtime. I was homeschooled with no TV. My experience of her development is similar to what I experienced with my siblings. A…

> bankrupt in both their pedagogy and their budgets The budget woes are a myth. The US spends more on education than most other countries in exchange for middle of the pack results comparable to less developed countries with far lower budgets. The main budgetary problem is bureaucratic. The schools get more than enough money, but the teachers aren't the ones who decide how to spend it, so a teacher who wants more sch…

> The budget woes are a myth. The US spends more on education than most other countries in exchange for middle of the pack results comparable to less developed countries with far lower budgets.

Educational spending covers a different set of domains in the US than it does in other countries. There's a lot of backfill in the social services area, for example.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by croes »

astrange wrote: post #109
conception wrote: post #77

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The large scale antivax movement for one.

Antivaxxers tend to use scientific/rational language though, as opposed to new age vibes or what they heard from their priests. They’re using a modernist mindset, they just happen to be wrong.

I doubt that, most of them just copy & paste parts from studies or headlines shared in social networks

One of my latest memories is the introduction of a test that can be used to test for Corona and flu at the same time. The relevant article headline spoke of a test to distinguish flu from Corona. This then turned into the antivaxxers saying that previous PCR tests could not distinguish corona from flu.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by ipaddr »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #179
fabbari wrote: post #16

Would love to see the raw data, but from their own plots you can see that 2017, 2018 and 2019 show a trend that would make the 2020 and 2021 data consistent with the trend. As they show data comparing 2020 and 2021 to the previous years, they could have shown a matrix to compare year over year across the data. I will wait for someone to look at the raw data and peer review the paper before jumping to conclusions. I'm…

This post is so typical of all scientific posts to HN. Person posts negatively to the research and they never look at p valued or sample sizes. Also, they disregard any other possible research . Then a few to a hundred posts refuting the parent with anecdotal evidence of both positive and negative outcomes especially when science doesn’t work in anecdotal evidence which is the point of science and it basically shows…

And someone always posts a message like yours without actually reading the parent post.

In the parent they suggest a greater trend spanning 2017 onward which isn't being mentioned. Large or small p value isn't the issue here

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by User23 »

ravenstine wrote: post #31
colordrops wrote: post #10

At this point in the pandemic we've should have come up with models that factor in the externalities of lockdown and factor that into policy decisions. That somehow still hasn't happened. People say "things are pretty much back to normal" but parents with kids in school know this is not true.

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I prefer not to speculate about the motivations of policy makers, because I can't read minds. However, it's clear, judging by the rate of avoidable ills like opiate overdoses and type 2 diabetes, to name just a couple, that our government policy can't be called broadly successful for many of today's major public health issues.

That's not to say it's a total failure. The sanitation improvements of the mid 20th century had a huge positive effect on public health. Indoor plumbing wasn't even available in wide swaths of the USA back then.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by pyuser583 »

sirspacey wrote: post #129
fabbari wrote: post #16

Would love to see the raw data, but from their own plots you can see that 2017, 2018 and 2019 show a trend that would make the 2020 and 2021 data consistent with the trend. As they show data comparing 2020 and 2021 to the previous years, they could have shown a matrix to compare year over year across the data. I will wait for someone to look at the raw data and peer review the paper before jumping to conclusions. I'm…

Edit: was intended as response to a reply to this. Appreciate the caution. We took a different approach. Unlimited screen time. Our daughter’s rate of learning is incredible. She willingly explores IRL play. No battles when we ask her to put down her iPad. Roblox and Minecraft are our shared playtime. I was homeschooled with no TV. My experience of her development is similar to what I experienced with my siblings. A…

My daughter began an extremely unhealthy relationship with screens during COVID.

She watches YouTube for hours on end, usually 15 second meme videos that alternate between vacant and toxic.

She’s obsessed with memes to the point where it’s impossible for her to hold a conversation with someone who doesn’t have a similar browsing history.

She’s lost a shared common vocabulary with even her closed friends.

Maybe iPads are the problems.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by nkrisc »

WA wrote: post #174
rock_hard wrote: post #160

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We also have a unlimited screen time policy with our kids It’s been nothing but great! They turned into information sponges with a huge amount of knowledge about the world, way ahead of their peers. Our son watches a lot of extrem sports YouTube content which always inspires him to push harder to get better at those sports himself. He is the only one in his class who will tackle the large half pipes at the local dirt…

Cool, but what if your son stops watching interesting YT videos and starts playing Fortnite 10 hours a day? And: How old is your son and at what age did you start the unlimited screen time policy? Because as you say, there is more nuance to screen time. It depends on the kid’s personality, the age, the environment, friends, access to outdoor activities etc.

> Cool, but what if your son stops watching interesting YT videos and starts playing Fortnite 10 hours a day?

Then something else is wrong. That's not a normal behavior that healthy people do, it's a symptom of some other problem in their life.

Thanks to the pandemic, my son has learned that screens can be boring, and it's not all that exciting anymore after too much time. He's learned to put it down and find something else to do. We don't have to enforce screen time anymore, he mostly does it himself.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by isoskeles »

endisneigh wrote: post #145
sirspacey wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: was intended as response to a reply to this. Appreciate the caution. We took a different approach. Unlimited screen time. Our daughter’s rate of learning is incredible. She willingly explores IRL play. No battles when we ask her to put down her iPad. Roblox and Minecraft are our shared playtime. I was homeschooled with no TV. My experience of her development is similar to what I experienced with my siblings. A…

> Maybe they are one reason cognitive decline in children isn’t dramatically worse. What's your household income?

Enough to buy their kids tablets like it's nothing.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by danbolt »

Cerium wrote: post #150
loceng wrote: post #146

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The most notable difference between TV and computers of various sizes is it's interactive vs. passive, so the "reducing screen time" needs more nuance to the discussion - likewise Roblox etc together as a family sounds lovely vs. isolated dopamine hits from Instagram potentially allowing your peers/strangers dictate how you should feel about yourself (wrongly in either direction).

This reminds me of all the screen time I had as a kid with my parents, taking turns on single player games (a life or a race). A lot of time spent thinking about how the next turn would go, who would be better at this level (my mom was great at some Zelda temples and I was better at others). Way more thinking happened than any other TV activity.

My father mentioned he noticed that when I played video games with my peers as a child, it was very much a social activity. I think it somewhat changed his paradigm on the medium after the 1990s having a bit of a moral panic on the topic.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by isoskeles »

ipaddr wrote: post #184
zitterbewegung wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This post is so typical of all scientific posts to HN. Person posts negatively to the research and they never look at p valued or sample sizes. Also, they disregard any other possible research . Then a few to a hundred posts refuting the parent with anecdotal evidence of both positive and negative outcomes especially when science doesn’t work in anecdotal evidence which is the point of science and it basically shows…

And someone always posts a message like yours without actually reading the parent post. In the parent they suggest a greater trend spanning 2017 onward which isn't being mentioned. Large or small p value isn't the issue here

And someone always posts a reply like yours without etc. etc.
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