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Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by nitrogen »

bryan0 wrote: post #70
xxpor wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Half the problem is no one has actually expressed a goal we're working towards. Covid isn't going to go away (at least not for a while), which I think everyone at least implicitly accepts at this point. The people who are going to get vaccinated largely have (especially in a few months with the OSHA rule + booster rollout). So what are we even doing?

> Half the problem is no one has actually expressed a goal we're working towards. Yeah I don’t think the goals have been clear, even if they have been changing over time. I think the clearest goal now should be a 90% vaccination rate to turn Covid into the common cold, and then going back to life as normal, but as long as huge swathes of the population refuse to get vaccinated this goal is unattainable. Edit: I belie…

their goal is simply to not be told what to do

The urge to resist force is a vital element of US culture as a check on runaway governments. You see it in many movements, on both sides for or against. Women don't want to be forced to carry a baby. LGBT community doesn't want to be forced to hide. Christians don't want to be forced to stop praying in school. Non-Christians don't want to be forced to listen to prayers in school.

Everyone should be persuaded to get vaccinated for things like flu and COVID. Very few people should be forced to do so just to keep their jobs.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by jokethrowaway »

zzzeek wrote: post #88

you know what really impacts early cognitive performance? having one's parents die from covid. So while social distancing, closings, and masks completely suck, they have been necessary in order to attempt to maintain public health, and without them, there would have been vastly more deaths.

That may be true for grandparents.

We should do something about heart diseases or car accidents which are far more worrisome for parents.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by watwut »

rgrieselhuber wrote: post #3

How the toddlers of today growing up with fully masked teachers during their institutionalized education will manage to develop normal social skills without being able to see people’s faces is beyond me.

Toddlers are not even required to go to institutions. Huge amounts of them are at home.

And those in institutions still spend tons amount of time at home.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by astrange »

throwaway_2009 wrote: post #127
astrange wrote: post #122

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The original “lockdowns” were literally good for some businesses. Conventions and restaurants would have failed (they can’t survive on 10% attendance) but can’t get out of their vendor contracts without the government canceling for them.

Attendance dropped due to lockdowns and the fear campaign. I was there, remember? The pubs were rammed, Boris started saying "don't do X", numbers decreased a lot, he said "we make this legal now", the world stopped. I'm bored of debating this now so whatever, all I get online is a stream of trolls. Good luck.

No, attendance dropped in 2020 because nobody wants to get sick. This would be true if there was a flu pandemic as well.

(And because of travel bans. But the anti-lockdown people mostly support those because that’s the ironic position.)

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by hutzlibu »

bryan0 wrote: post #123
hutzlibu wrote: post #108

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Maybe portugal and the likely reason in any answer will be hospitalisation rates.

Looks like Portugal really turned their vaccination program around to be a real success story. As far as I can tell they are not reintroducing lockdowns? https://www.npr.org/2021/12/15/1063830104/portugal-covid-vac...

Lockdown "light"

https://m.dw.com/en/covid-19-special-vaccination-champion-po...

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by option »

astrange wrote: post #116
option wrote: post #54

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I often run (maskless of course) on the street where I can see public’s school stadium. Kids there wear masks outside while running around stadium during PE class. What kind of insanity is this??! This is in Santa Clara county, CA.

Masks outside are good actually. It’s cold outside and they’re warm. You can’t wear a scarf while running.

good try. But Santa Clara county isn’t exactly a cold place, and they do it when it is +30C. I know parents whose kid actually fainted during PE outside.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by wrycoder »

542458 wrote: post #95
xxpor wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Half the problem is no one has actually expressed a goal we're working towards. Covid isn't going to go away (at least not for a while), which I think everyone at least implicitly accepts at this point. The people who are going to get vaccinated largely have (especially in a few months with the OSHA rule + booster rollout). So what are we even doing?

As far as I can tell there are a two scenarios where life can return to something resembling normal: 1 - The obvious one, everybody (or close enough to everybody) gets partial immunity either through vaccination or through actually catching it. Variants are making this a moving target, unfortunately. 2 - Somebody comes up with and mass manufactures a good-enough therapeutic that can keep sick people out of the hospit…

1. Omicron is driving out the earlier variants.

2. I would really like to see a proper, large RCT of ivermectin, HCQ+zinc, and the new Pfizer therapeutic. The latter costs $700 per course, apparently, and many countries won’t be able to afford it. And, exclude hospitalized patients, we’re trying to find out how to keep people out of the hospital!

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by [deleted] »

astrange wrote: post #134
throwaway_2009 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Attendance dropped due to lockdowns and the fear campaign. I was there, remember? The pubs were rammed, Boris started saying "don't do X", numbers decreased a lot, he said "we make this legal now", the world stopped. I'm bored of debating this now so whatever, all I get online is a stream of trolls. Good luck.

No, attendance dropped in 2020 because nobody wants to get sick. This would be true if there was a flu pandemic as well. (And because of travel bans. But the anti-lockdown people mostly support those because that’s the ironic position.)

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Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by nitrogen »

rightbyte wrote: post #114
philovivero wrote: post #71

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This sort of over-the-top rhetoric gives anti-maskers their ammo. I am unaware of a single family, anywhere on the planet, that was "decimated" by Covid. I hope you really mean "devastated," because then at least you'd be making some semblance of sense. Also, to ignore that there are studies and experts that back their opinion is a little rich. Sure, you can say you think your studies and your experts are better, but…

"Decimate" is kill one in ten, which is probably a not uncommon number for those who had atleast one fatality in the family.

Nobody uses that word that way in common conversation.
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