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Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by inkblotuniverse »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #29
twofornone wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention that the IFR is dramatically skewed by age and obesity. Yes, early indications were that COVID was a serious, deadly pandemic, but we've had more than enough time and data at this point to recognize that this is not the plague that it is being treated as.

Those of us who are immune compromised or obese are people too. I don't expect the whole world to stop for me, though would appreciate if folks take some precautions until hospitals can manage the flood. (In the US over 40% of adults are obese.)

If the vaccine-hesitant are to be shunned and have specific restrictions levied against them for the sake of not overflowing hospitals, then so should the obese and old, IMO.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by 323 »

giantg2 wrote: post #51
fabbari wrote: post #16

Would love to see the raw data, but from their own plots you can see that 2017, 2018 and 2019 show a trend that would make the 2020 and 2021 data consistent with the trend. As they show data comparing 2020 and 2021 to the previous years, they could have shown a matrix to compare year over year across the data. I will wait for someone to look at the raw data and peer review the paper before jumping to conclusions. I'm…

I wonder what could be driving that trend.

Parents busy with their phones for example.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by excalibur »

> Since the first reports of novel coronavirus in the 2020, public health organizations have advocated preventative policies to limit virus, including stay-at-home orders that closed businesses, daycares, schools, playgrounds, and limited child learning and typical activities.

Did nobody proofread this before it was published?

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by paulryanrogers »

throwaway_2009 wrote: post #59
paulryanrogers wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is possible that people who support(ed) lockdowns are not motivated solely by marketing. The original quote calls out people, not views.

I disagree. It is not possible because it is not possible to arrive at the stance via logic. If not for the marketing campaign; certainly if not for the "original sin" of Italy's lockdown; we wouldn't even be speaking about this. If coronavirus were highly transmissible ebola it would make sense. It's just not, most of us know tens or hundreds of people who've had it at this point (the UK has a _confirmed_ case rate…

It's illogical to consider lockdowns when hospitals are overwhelmed by a highly contagious respiratory disease?

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by 542458 »

xxpor wrote: post #44
colordrops wrote: post #10

At this point in the pandemic we've should have come up with models that factor in the externalities of lockdown and factor that into policy decisions. That somehow still hasn't happened. People say "things are pretty much back to normal" but parents with kids in school know this is not true.

Half the problem is no one has actually expressed a goal we're working towards. Covid isn't going to go away (at least not for a while), which I think everyone at least implicitly accepts at this point. The people who are going to get vaccinated largely have (especially in a few months with the OSHA rule + booster rollout). So what are we even doing?

As far as I can tell there are a two scenarios where life can return to something resembling normal:

1 - The obvious one, everybody (or close enough to everybody) gets partial immunity either through vaccination or through actually catching it. Variants are making this a moving target, unfortunately.

2 - Somebody comes up with and mass manufactures a good-enough therapeutic that can keep sick people out of the hospitals. To this end I’m very hopeful for the new Pfizer drug.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by UnFleshedOne »

conception wrote: post #77
gizmo385 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As evidenced by?

The large scale antivax movement for one.

Funny enough I expect Venn diagram of antivaxers and people who don't let their kid use screens to have a significant overlap. Sometimes raw distrust is justified.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by cdubzzz »

vldchk wrote: post #67
giantg2 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder what could be driving that trend.

I would bet on the growth of notepads and smartphone usage by children 0-2 age. There are evidences that electronics and smart screens are destructive for the cognitive development of infants, while they are super easy to adopt by lazy parents. Click on some YTube show and baby won’t bother you for the next hour or two.

> There are evidences that electronics and smart screens are destructive for the cognitive development of infants, while they are super easy to adopt by lazy parents.

I know this is a poor form but fuck you. We work our asses off to give our kids what is generally accepted as a “good” upbringing and it’s hard. Hard during any normal period of time and even harder when dealing the pressures of the pandemic’s affect on work, day care, extracurricular activities, etc.

Happy to read whatever evidence you have on this topic. I’m keenly interested and sure as shit not “lazy” for allowing our children time to play age appropriate games on a tablet.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by najqh »

bryan0 wrote: post #70
xxpor wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Half the problem is no one has actually expressed a goal we're working towards. Covid isn't going to go away (at least not for a while), which I think everyone at least implicitly accepts at this point. The people who are going to get vaccinated largely have (especially in a few months with the OSHA rule + booster rollout). So what are we even doing?

> Half the problem is no one has actually expressed a goal we're working towards. Yeah I don’t think the goals have been clear, even if they have been changing over time. I think the clearest goal now should be a 90% vaccination rate to turn Covid into the common cold, and then going back to life as normal, but as long as huge swathes of the population refuse to get vaccinated this goal is unattainable. Edit: I belie…

>I think the clearest goal now should be a 90% vaccination rate to turn Covid into the common cold, and then going back to life as normal, but as long as huge swathes of the population refuse to get vaccinated this goal is unattainable.

"You can't comply your way out of tyranny"

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by [deleted] »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #94
throwaway_2009 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. It is not possible because it is not possible to arrive at the stance via logic. If not for the marketing campaign; certainly if not for the "original sin" of Italy's lockdown; we wouldn't even be speaking about this. If coronavirus were highly transmissible ebola it would make sense. It's just not, most of us know tens or hundreds of people who've had it at this point (the UK has a _confirmed_ case rate…

It's illogical to consider lockdowns when hospitals are overwhelmed by a highly contagious respiratory disease?

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Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by rightbyte »

cossatot wrote: post #56

The effects of the 1918 influenza epidemic were large and persisted for decades, as well. Marginal Revolution has a good summary[1]. Fetal exposure seems to have been a major factor[2], money quote here: Fetal health is found to affect nearly every socioeconomic outcome recorded in the 1960, 1970, and 1980 Censuses. Men and women show large and discontinuous reductions in educational attainment if they had been in ut…

> The children of infected mothers were up to 15 percent less likely to graduate from high school. Wages of men were 5–9 percent lower because of infection.

It is probably hard to control for "being poor", since it correlates with both lesser pay and education and I guess getting sick.

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