Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf] • Hacker News Board

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by philovivero » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 5:42 PM UTC

dessant wrote: post #42

mandmandam wrote: post #33

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> They will manage just fine because they are exposed to enough maskless people at home and in other social settings The wealthy kids have that opportunity. Kids with natural social skills may be fine too. However, kids with two parents that are working 4 jobs won't reach their full potential. Many kids already have issues from this; and it's awful that their voices and their parents voices - and their psychologists…

Yes, times are tough for everyone, including children. I find it even more abhorrent to single out masks because "you can't see people's faces", while ignoring what their purpose is and what can they prevent. We've seen enough idiots decimate their family and friends while repeating this exact same argument.

This sort of over-the-top rhetoric gives anti-maskers their ammo.

I am unaware of a single family, anywhere on the planet, that was "decimated" by Covid. I hope you really mean "devastated," because then at least you'd be making some semblance of sense.

Also, to ignore that there are studies and experts that back their opinion is a little rich. Sure, you can say you think your studies and your experts are better, but to assume those who disagree with you are "idiots" is, again, pretty over-the-top, and exactly the sort of thing someone can point to and say: "Look, these pro-maskers are projecting."

Why not try to be a little more understanding and share some of this knowledge with people? Do you really need to stoop so low?

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by bryan0 » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 5:43 PM UTC

willhinsa wrote: post #64

bryan0 wrote: post #62

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> At this point in the pandemic we've should have come up with models that factor in the externalities of lockdown and factor that into policy decisions. That somehow still hasn't happened. What makes you think it hasn’t? I’m sure all lockdown decision makers are looking at these models along with models of hospital capacity. > People say "things are pretty much back to normal" but parents with kids in school know th…

> Basically gone back to normal Do they have to wear masks? Do they have to socially distance?

They wear masks. They do not social distance.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by paulryanrogers » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 5:43 PM UTC

throwaway_2009 wrote: post #66

paulryanrogers wrote: post #61

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> They have malicious intentions a priori because they treat controlling others with the same level of discipline as they would choosing which flavour of jam to put on their toast in the morning. Not everyone advocating lockdowns is necessarily so flippant about it. Some consider the costs carefully. Please keep in mind that hospitals were being overwhelmed long before vaccines were available. (FWIW I'm not defending…

If you want to lockdown, you can lockdown, and now you are safe. You don't need others to do so, the virus does not travel through windows and walls. As such the stance is definitionally illogical which makes it flippant - it falls apart under even mild scrutiny. I've seen about a billion variations on it now, it just gets boring to bat them off. e.g. "if the healthcare system is overwhelmed, you'll die in a minor ca…

People still need emergency rooms. If those are overwhelmed then anyone needing emergency care will suffer.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by visarga » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 5:44 PM UTC

The pandemic was a big hit on the development of kids who were supposed to start kindergarten but stayed at home instead. They are on average less social and verbal as a result. I hope they can recover the delay as I am the father of a 3 year old.

I bet a similar delaying effect is happening for adolescent kids who would have started being interested in the opposite sex but all they could do was Zoom into virtual lectures while being alone.

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Post by dnautics » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 5:44 PM UTC

riku_iki wrote: post #65

giantg2 wrote: post #51

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I wonder what could be driving that trend.

ipad games from the very early age

Would that affect lower socioeconomic status more? Could go either way. I would guess it's an observer/awareness/diagnosis effect. (Lower SE getting progressively more access to child cognitive monitoring; consistent with more attention during covid)

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by zbendefy » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 5:44 PM UTC

notpachet wrote: post #5

rgrieselhuber wrote: post #3

How the toddlers of today growing up with fully masked teachers during their institutionalized education will manage to develop normal social skills without being able to see people’s faces is beyond me.

Hopefully by the time it becomes a problem, we can all just hide behind our avatars inside the Metaverse. /s

Where is this sudden surge of talking about the metaverse coming from?

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Post by conception » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 5:45 PM UTC

gizmo385 wrote: post #58

whalesalad wrote: post #53

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The collapse of rational thinking abilities.

As evidenced by?

The large scale antivax movement for one.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by throwaway_2009 » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 5:48 PM UTC

paulryanrogers wrote: post #73

throwaway_2009 wrote: post #66

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If you want to lockdown, you can lockdown, and now you are safe. You don't need others to do so, the virus does not travel through windows and walls. As such the stance is definitionally illogical which makes it flippant - it falls apart under even mild scrutiny. I've seen about a billion variations on it now, it just gets boring to bat them off. e.g. "if the healthcare system is overwhelmed, you'll die in a minor ca…

People still need emergency rooms. If those are overwhelmed then anyone needing emergency care will suffer.

I've addressed this in my comment already.

If we don't lock down and you break your leg, you may not get medical attention.

So let's lock down so that it's impossible to break your leg.

I'm totally happy to accept that contracting coronavirus could be triaged lower than acute chronic conditions, heart attacks, etc, that's an interesting debate to have because healthcare is scarce and therefore an ordering _must_ be chosen.

What makes no sense is just flinging our hands up and saying "well, stop the world for everyone instead".

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by bennysomething » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 5:48 PM UTC

dnautics wrote: post #68

colordrops wrote: post #10

At this point in the pandemic we've should have come up with models that factor in the externalities of lockdown and factor that into policy decisions. That somehow still hasn't happened. People say "things are pretty much back to normal" but parents with kids in school know this is not true.

Unless I'm missing something, "Kids born during pandemic" would not be affected by school closures. If anything, having more parents stay at home with kids, I'd expect to result in better outcomes,though maybe I'm giving parents too much credit. Honestly, I'd suspect that parents are around kids more and noticing and reporting more.

My child was born June 2019. I really worried about her development due to lock down: exhausted parents, no friends or extended family to interact with. Once nursery reopened her language abilities seemed to accelerate quickly. Kids really seem to thrive on a mix of experiences. Locked in house with mum and dad is not good.

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Post by conception » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 5:48 PM UTC

xxpor wrote: post #44

colordrops wrote: post #10

At this point in the pandemic we've should have come up with models that factor in the externalities of lockdown and factor that into policy decisions. That somehow still hasn't happened. People say "things are pretty much back to normal" but parents with kids in school know this is not true.

Half the problem is no one has actually expressed a goal we're working towards. Covid isn't going to go away (at least not for a while), which I think everyone at least implicitly accepts at this point. The people who are going to get vaccinated largely have (especially in a few months with the OSHA rule + booster rollout). So what are we even doing?

In the US at least, herd immunity went away as a goal really in like May 2020. It’s always been to flatten the curve so hospitals can deal with the sick until everyone can get vaccinated. At this point, it’s just to flatten the curve so our health care system doesn’t completely implode while everyone is slowly (or not so slowly) coming in contact with the virus.

There is also international travel as a point - the vaccine isn’t available at will everywhere, so there’s some being a good neighbor in slowly the general spread of the vaccine as well.