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Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by IsThisYou » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 5:32 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #246

Pmop wrote: post #218

> packages(/containers) from PRC are delayed or cancelled, invoices are not being paid, we are losing business there I think the whole western world should stop playing games with the bully state that is PRC.

Who is China bullying except it’s own people?

There are so many things, I could write an entire book. So here is one of literally thousands of crimes the CCP commits:

It sends armed fishing boats[0] into the territorial waters of other countries to plunder its fishes. At night, PRC boats turn off their (mandatory) transponders, enter the waters to steal fish, then leave the territorial waters and turn their transponders back on. At times, you can watch it life on marinetraffic.com

For instance, last year a huge fleets of PRC fishing vessels raided the nature reserve around the Galapagos Islands[1] and destroyed much of the fauna around the islands. Same tactic was used, they turn off their transponders, steal what they can, and then turn the transponders back on.

Again, this is just one tiny topic of thousands of crimes the CCP and their thugs commit on a daily basis.

The sooner the Chinese people are freed of that criminal organization, the better. Look at Taiwan: they are Chinese too, and they have one of the best run governments and most democratic systems in the world.

[0] https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia-pacific/2019/05/31/t...

[1] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8858427/Huge-fleet-...

Also, I don't like that questions like your's are downvoted. Its a legitimate question and not everybody has the time to focus on PRC politics and the crimes of the CCP.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by mthoms » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 5:32 PM UTC

calcifer wrote: post #282

FooBarWidget wrote: post #222

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My point is that whether the west thinks the Chinese ought to think that way, is not very important. People can debate that all day long, but at the end of the day the Chinese do think that way, and they are willing to fight for it. This has strategical implications. Do we want to grandstand or do we want to actually solve a problem? If we want to grandstand at all cost, then we have to wage war with China and force…

> If we want to grandstand at all cost, then we have to wage war with China and force them into submission. Who is we and they ? Based on your Twitter profile, you're Chinese and your views seem perfectly aligned with the official CCP position.

This user is also known for ignoring/downplaying the sexual assault allegations of Peng Shuai against a CCP official. Be wary.

View parent(s) of this comment for details of how this user attempted to FUD her accusations. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29362031

Absolutely disgusting.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by whimsicalism » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 5:33 PM UTC

neom wrote: post #353

whimsicalism wrote: post #316

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Calling disproportionate imprisonment (and racist imprisonment by ethnicity) "genocide" is genocide-trivialization, in my view. It wasn't a "genocide" when we imprisoned 1 in 3 black people in this country, even though it was pretty awful. The Holocaust was a genocide.

Cultural Genocide is certainly a thing: The concept of cultural genocide : an international law perspective https://cadmus.eui.eu/handle/1814/43864 https://www.getty.edu/publications/occasional-papers-2/2/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_genocide

Okay, then I would claim referring to "cultural genocide" as "genocide" is genocide trivialization. In the Holocaust, they killed 11 million people.

I wouldn't compare that to an attempt to end child marriage in India, for instance.

Some cultural practices should be ended. By contrast, people from a certain culture should not have their lives ended simply for being from that culture.

Equating the two is nonsense.

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Post by syki » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 5:33 PM UTC

scottLobster wrote: post #335

whimsicalism wrote: post #280

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The US views itself as the enforcer of UNCLOS for all navigable bodies of water in the entire world, a treaty it hasn't ratified. It has tons of military bases in the SCS, a region not even close to it, compared to the furor when it becomes possible that China might build a single military base along Africa's atlantic coast. It seems like a bit of a double standard to me. I wish a good faith discussion about China wa…

What-aboutisms and calling people jingoist. Who exactly do you think you're convincing other than yourself? Point me to the last time the US used its navy to directly threaten merchant shipping.

It’s not an example of using the navy but it’s effect - the result is what matters, not the means - is the same.

https://news.yahoo.com/us-warns-against-dealing-top-iran-shi...

This one involves the Navy.

https://news.antiwar.com/2020/05/19/us-threatens-ships-in-pe...

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Post by fifilura » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 5:34 PM UTC

RugnirViking wrote: post #93

fifilura wrote: post #56

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In diplomacy "give them hell" is usually not the right answer. Closing all Chinese embassies will just leave a black hole with regards to intelligence. Politics is what it is, and the diplomats role is most often not to combat, but to ease communication. For the same reason the UN may often seem toothless and not able to execute. But it is just a reflection of world politics. It is hard sometimes. The precursor to UN…

What is the right answer then? Current approaches certainly don't seem to be helping, both on the China front but also at the UN

Frustrating, but diplomacy is just a vessle.

Don't blame the empty plate if you are hungry.

And getting rid of the plate will not help you if you want food.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by lumost » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 5:35 PM UTC

whimsicalism wrote: post #313

riffraff wrote: post #279

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China won't allow airlines to say they fly to Taiwan. Western media frequently defer to PRC rules (the latest one: Top Gun sequel removing the taiwanese flag). John Cena had to publicly apologize because he referred to Taiwan as a country. Chinese vessels regularly violate territorial waters, and there is an ongoing spat with India around their borders. The PRC is bullying the whole planet, and people are letting the…

> Chinese vessels regularly violate territorial waters, and there is an ongoing spat with India around their borders. If you are talking about India's spat with China in terms of territorial waters, I think the general consensus is that India is in excess of international law with its claims and China is conducting legal freedom of navigation operations just like the US does. The SCS is an entirely different issue, w…

The “spat” was the early 2020 militarized border conflict in the Himalayas. Recent talks to reach a resolution on this issue failed.

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Post by ceejayoz » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 5:36 PM UTC

synergy20 wrote: post #320

k_sze wrote: post #309

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Stop spreading nonsense. Xi Jinping studied chemical engineering. Zhu Rongji studied electrical engineering.

Zhu took the tests and get admitted, like the rest of his peers(Jiang, Hu, Wen, Li,etc) they're all true graduates from the best universities in China then, which explains why China made leaps and bounds under their leadership. Xi is the only exception among them. Xi got in college without _any_ tests, purely because he has a powerful father then. It's said he could not understand a thing taught and there is no way h…

> Indeed it's unimaginable for a 6th grader to take calculus in the top universities all of a sudden.

Top notch private tutoring and some work ethic can work wonders in fairly short periods of time.

Corruption is certainly possible, but not the only conceivable possibility.

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Post by baybal2 » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 5:37 PM UTC

LambdaTrain wrote: post #304

synergy20 wrote: post #225

Here is a perspective on China's current aggressiveness: those in power are from the culture-revolution age(1966-1976), which means they did not get good education(if anything at all). Most of them are not even middle-school graduates. Their youth time are filled with beating those well educated ones based on ideologies accusations. Xi himself did not even finish middle school, his professional skill is the worst com…

He completed BE in Chemical Engineering from Tsinghua University [1]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping

Hsi Chinping bought his degree paper from a ghostwriter, and barely showed for classes.

A practice deemed "almost" acceptable in the mainland among elites. People tell "for somebody already so high rank, merely buying a university degree is not really cheating"

I once had an argument over this 9 years ago with Chinese peers. The conversation came to "Maybe, if he was given a degree, and job even without a ghostwriter, then it may have been said he jumped the line."

It's problem with these people who genuinely believe that rank, and status is a license to violate things, and that is the reason to get it.

Out of all Westernised mainlanders exposed to overseas, or even out of the few who spent some years abroad, almost nobody gets past the superficial in understanding the world outside China. They are really a minority, among the minority.

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Post by pasquinelli » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 5:37 PM UTC

omginternets wrote: post #312

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This goes a fair bit beyond “disproportionate imprisonment”, as I’m sure you know.

i'm not sure i know anything about uigars, or china more broadly. i've heard things. that doesn't mean i know anything.

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Post by Aperocky » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 5:39 PM UTC

hollerith wrote: post #310

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Saying that Taiwan is merely a nationalism and internal unity issue, and that people's views are merely a result of propaganda, ignores the very history of how Taiwan came to be and how the Chinese civil war developed. Your take also ignores the fact that unification is Chinese core value, which is valued more than western freedom of speech, and that this core value has been around for thousands of years. But more im…

>unification is Chinese core value, which is valued more than western freedom of speech, and that this core value has been around for thousands of years. I don't have an opinion on that. Just want to point out that out of the previous 2500 years, China has been unified for only 500 years, and 300 of those 500 years was spent under the yoke of a foreign invader (the Mongols).

> I don't have an opinion on that. Just want to point out that out of the previous 2500 years, China has been unified for only 500 years, and 300 of those 500 years was spent under the yoke of a foreign invader (the Mongols).

This is not true, Mongol rule only lasted for about 100 years.

Han dynasty lasted 400 years. Tang about 300 years, Ming and Qing together lasted about 550 years. All of that adds to about 1250 years of unified times. That did not count Qin or Sui or Northern Song, which are unified that just happened to be short lived.

I don't know where you got your numbers.