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Re: Ask HN: How to optimize your career for happiness?

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The special thing I’ve done is mostly being willing to sit with hard questions like “who am I” and “what do I really want out of life and a job?”, sometimes for years at a time (low-key).

The answer is always the same, and will probably always the same: I am motivated by mastery and autonomy. Thus I put lots of time into finding work that is interesting and has a lot to dig into.

I routinely annoy the institutions I work for because status and titles do not work for me. They are empty pursuits that hinge too much on the fickle perceptions of other people who may not share my values. My dream is to work for myself making software customers love. I have made some small steps[1] toward that this year, but replacing my current income will need a lot of work on the side, and that’s fine.

I’m playing a game of sorts, where I have a job I really like that is challenging and fits my goals as an individual contributor, whilst also dabbling in learning to make and sell things on the side. Both pursuits support the other, and I don’t have to win at either in order to feel “justified.”

This is just one way to approach the job issue. There are a bunch of other good ways to tackle it!

1: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/audiowrangler/id1565701763?mt=...

Re: Ask HN: How to optimize your career for happiness?

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I'm a weirdo: I've been doing web dev since the 90s and made a very conscious decision NOT to go into the tech industry, primarily for my own happiness.

It sounds like what you've liked in your previous jobs are the ability to learn, and that your current goals aren't scratching that itch. I'm the same way: If I'm not learning and challenging myself intellectually on a regular basis, I end up depressed. Which isn't something society is very well set up for in my experience.

There are a couple of ways to proceed:

1.) Try to focus on career paths that allow you to learn/be happy. Going into research, returning to working at startups and accepting the stability limitations, etc. To do this, you want to look for positions where you learning directly helps the company. That way your interests are aligned.

2.) Decouple your intellectual life/happiness from your career path; whether this is possible depends on how much work demands from you. This is mostly what I do: I only work 20-30 hours a week in a non-tech job, so I have time to build terrible tech projects in my spare time + no pressure to learn or build for the sake of my career. I can just do whatever I want. It's very freeing, but of course, this has its downsides as well: I'm not well integrated into the tech community, for example.

Also consider that some of the stress may stem from your reliance on your career as well: Any situation where a single mistake/firing has devastating consequences results in stress. Minimizing this would involve building incomes, networks, etc. so you have a safety net.

Sedentarism, I can't help you, I'm reading the advice along with you, but that's my advice for happiness as somebody who prioritized doing work I like + makes the world better over money.

Re: Ask HN: How to optimize your career for happiness?

#13
Lots of good advice here. One additional thing to consider: why is your mind on stress from work?

How’s your marriage? How are your parents doing? Your kids? Who are some of your best friends?

How often are you physically active? Do you often go for walks, or play tennis, or garden?

How well are you sleeping? Do you love your mattress?

Any habits you’ve struggled to kick lately? Conversely, any hobbies you’ve really gotten into?

Personally, I’ve always noticed my personal happiness correlating MUCH more closely with the above than with work. If work isn’t it, you may want to consider some other angles.

Re: Ask HN: How to optimize your career for happiness?

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Happiness depends on a lot on what you truly want, as opposed to what you want to want, so I'd encourage you to get familiar with where those diverge. E.g., a lot of people want to want to get rich, but as you've discovered, more money doesn't actually leave them more fulfilled. If you're finding that hard to discover, a good therapist can help a lot, as talking with a lot of people lets them see patterns an individu…

> talking with a lot of people lets them see patterns an individual can't

This is a really nice distillation of the value of talking to a therapist. I really appreciate this comment.

Re: Ask HN: How to optimize your career for happiness?

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Happiness has not that much to do with a career, or anything external for that matter, once your basic needs are met.

It has everything to do with how well you understand yourself and can manage your mind.

Unfortunately, people are always looking for prescriptions for happiness, and ignoring this simple fact.

Re: Ask HN: How to optimize your career for happiness?

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IME working less itself doesn't solve the problem, it's more about how you organize your time. I had free Fridays and I would still end up sitting in front of computer all Friday, just doing something else not work... and back when I was freelancing "because that way I can work from anywhere", I've still spent like 99% of days sitting in my home office. In order to change the lifestyle one needs a bit of self-discipline to actually use the chances that they have instead of falling for the routine. If you don't want to live a sedentary lifestyle that just come up with things you can do to change it, like use a standing desk, make small breaks during the day to exercise, go to gym after work. Sticking to it is far harder than finding the time to do it.

Re: Ask HN: How to optimize your career for happiness?

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I've optimized for different things at different parts of my career. I've made FAANG level salaries working 7 days a week as a consultant. It was horrible. I'm currently making a little less than you but working 20 hour weeks. It's amazing, and I spend the rest of my time usually working on side projects I hope to monetize one day. Since September I've just been traveling with my wife. I'm very happy doing that. So m…

any tips on how to find part time work?

In my case, I just took a full time non-tech salaried job and used my tech skills to automate my duties or do them more quickly. So I work 20 hours but get paid for 40. My company is results oriented and they don't care; they're generally pleased as pie I have a little extra capacity for when emergencies crop up.

Re: Ask HN: How to optimize your career for happiness?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

any tips on how to find part time work?

In my case, I just took a full time non-tech salaried job and used my tech skills to automate my duties or do them more quickly. So I work 20 hours but get paid for 40. My company is results oriented and they don't care; they're generally pleased as pie I have a little extra capacity for when emergencies crop up.

The idea has crossed my mind before, so I'm quite interested to find someone doing it. What line of work are you in?

Re: Ask HN: How to optimize your career for happiness?

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I've optimized for different things at different parts of my career. I've made FAANG level salaries working 7 days a week as a consultant. It was horrible. I'm currently making a little less than you but working 20 hour weeks. It's amazing, and I spend the rest of my time usually working on side projects I hope to monetize one day. Since September I've just been traveling with my wife. I'm very happy doing that. So m…

any tips on how to find part time work?

Look for European companies, they tend to be more flexible about that.

Re: Ask HN: How to optimize your career for happiness?

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I have found that for me, the biggest boost to happiness is the ability to say no to things I don't want to do.

I truly enjoy working in tech, but not on every project. At first I was worried that I wouldn't find enough new projects, but now looking back, I never had much downtime after I started being much more selective. It's just that instead of SQL / Excel stuff, I now work on real time audio video processing, AI and robotics. And that makes me happy :)

Plus recently, a friend and me have been wasting a lot of time on the Gocoder Bomberland competition. Both the social aspect and the immediate feedback of video game development make that really enjoyable.

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