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Ask HN: Have you accepted the TOS that give FB access to your WhatsApp data?

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Re: Ask HN: Have you accepted the TOS that give FB access to your WhatsApp data?

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Implicit opt-in by continuation of use of the services. You didn't even bother to read it did you?

At least in EU, implicit opt-in by use is not recognized and therefore such practice would be illegal. So perhaps they only continue to nag the users they arbitrarily detect as in jurisdictions where it’s legal to hoist new terms like that?

And what. They get a fine. Pay it. And continue to do shady things.

Re: Ask HN: Have you accepted the TOS that give FB access to your WhatsApp data?

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No, but I have a family and my wife and kids may often be using my computer, thus it may be that one of them have accepted the terms and thereby everybody's data gets saved.

I wonder if Facebook and Google and the rest assume it is just one person they are dealing with or if the algorithms they've trained are smart enough to detect that there is a high chance that particular usage patterns strongly imply an individual user.

If so that is to say they have identified profile 1 and profile 2 but have only asked profile 1 for permission and received permission but then continue to store data for profile 1 and 2 and think they are disparate users - would this run afoul of GDPR?

Re: Ask HN: Have you accepted the TOS that give FB access to your WhatsApp data?

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We have a moral obligation to stop using facebook products. Ask yourself where do you draw the line? If you don’t think facebook has crossed it, then you don’t know enough about facebook.

We have no such moral obligation. Facebook is no better and no worse than a multitude of other companies that trade in attention and data. They've suffered an onslaught of bad PR lately, largely due to their singular success rather then being singularly evil or (on balance) harmful to the world. A lot of this moral panic about Facebook's effect on society is just a projection of our general angst the democratization…

Facebook’s success and ubiquity is what makes it worse than other companies that trade in attention and data.

It’s not a moral panic, the people who run facebook have provably done terrible things. Would other people in their position do those things? Some would, some wouldn’t. There are people who do the right thing, even when it means their company losing a few bucks.

It is our responsibility to speak out against terrible companies like facebook. And if you, like me, work in tech, it is your job to not do terrible things.

If it’s not our responsibility, then it’s no one’s — and if you believe that, you believe in nothing.

Re: Ask HN: Have you accepted the TOS that give FB access to your WhatsApp data?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I accepted it because it's more convenient than dismissing the popup every time I want to send someone a message.

Which means you accepted it because you do not care about your privacy or unethical behavior of Facebook.

Privacy in our world is long gone. Move on

Re: Ask HN: Have you accepted the TOS that give FB access to your WhatsApp data?

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I am the only one who have accepted here?

I am the only one who don't care that much about Facebook knowing stuff about me?

I dislike Facebook and use it as little as possible for other reasons, but that some company knows about my favorite brands is low in my list of considerations.

I actually care about my privacy, it is just that governments and multinational companies are not my main focus. Too big, too far, at least for someone like me.

Re: Ask HN: Have you accepted the TOS that give FB access to your WhatsApp data?

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I deleted my facebook account 6 years ago or so and nobody noticed it at all. It's been a platform solely to consume shitposts and stalk others - that's it. Therefore my account deletion went completely unnoticed :)

However, unfortunately, I still use WhatsApp to this day - because of convinience.

Re: Ask HN: Have you accepted the TOS that give FB access to your WhatsApp data?

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Still use WhatsApp because friends, but did not accept the new terms.. Trying to move everyone to signal but there are stragglers....

Me and pretty much everyone in this thread are in the same situation: we want to leave WhatsApp ASAP but can't because none of our friends use Signal. We should just be each other's friends already.

Re: Ask HN: Have you accepted the TOS that give FB access to your WhatsApp data?

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I deleted my facebook account 6 years ago or so and nobody noticed it at all. It's been a platform solely to consume shitposts and stalk others - that's it. Therefore my account deletion went completely unnoticed :) However, unfortunately, I still use WhatsApp to this day - because of convinience.

Your FB account data likely still exists and they'll likely still join the two
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