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Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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They can. The western world can’t afford to be without China’s manufacturing, though.

China's economy would crumble a little if it could not sell anything outside anymore. Imagine a few billions of people losing their current level of life in China... a good recipe for regime change.

Europe is much smaller than you think.

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There is a simple solution. If most of western world allowed Taiwan embassies China would have to relent. They can't afford having entire western world stand against them. Unfortunately, that would require western nations to agree on something.

They can. The western world can’t afford to be without China’s manufacturing, though.

In the end they could, though it would be a hard transition. The western world pre-Chinese manufacturing was better off than China pre-Chinese manufacturing. But in reality, we're in a relationship neither side wants out of, so we should probably learn to compromise, and that compromises cut both ways.

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Yes, and that's the problem. The West will not go, and die without one xmass season, and a new Iphone 99. But Western elites all holding stocks of companies valued in trillions will do. I requires a healthy conversation in society about this. It will come to a time when people will have to decide what to do with these people. Potential adversaries now do things which just 15 years ago would've meant a real hot war wi…

I hate that China vs US thing comes down to race things, like it’s us white americans vs those bad chinese. Even American companies are now bad since they dare to sell to chinese people and only care about profits but not the fragile white american ego. It’s especially visible on Hacker News, asian bashing is so common but I guess it’s mostly due to demographics (right wing white americans mostly lurk forums like the…

i don't pretend to read everything on here but i have yet to see any "asian bashing". i have seen people raise their concerns about the CCP. i hope that's not what you are calling "asian bashing".

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Why "evacuate"? Were the safety of the embassy's staff under threat? I can't help but wonder if the word was deliberately chosen for click-baiting --- the only three occurrences of "evacuate/evacuation", including the one in the title, are concentrated in the second and third paragraphs --- it is as if they are injected as a last-minute after-thought.

> Were the safety of the embassy's staff under threat?

Without question. Previously, China arrested Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig to force Canada to release Meng Wanzhou. No one forgot that.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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There is a simple solution. If most of western world allowed Taiwan embassies China would have to relent. They can't afford having entire western world stand against them. Unfortunately, that would require western nations to agree on something.

In diplomacy "give them hell" is usually not the right answer. Closing all Chinese embassies will just leave a black hole with regards to intelligence.

Politics is what it is, and the diplomats role is most often not to combat, but to ease communication.

For the same reason the UN may often seem toothless and not able to execute. But it is just a reflection of world politics. It is hard sometimes.

The precursor to UN was the League of Nations. And they were much better at condemning. Germany. That didnt work out much better.

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Europeans were quick to scorn Mr Trump’s policies but the reality is that China has been unfair in its trade practices. Also, losing liberty in Hong Kong was sad but it will be much worse if free Taiwan is crushed by CCP ambition. The West should have alot of introspection about which battles are the right ones to choose. How will history judge the current leadership of the West if they abandon Taiwan?

The reason EU considered Trumps actions dangerous is because (1) he went after symbolic stuff and (2) Europeans companies got caught in the crossfire and it severely damaged the EU economy in steal and aluminium sectors. See also the ZTE and DanceByte sanctions. WTF was that about?

> See also the ZTE and DanceByte sanctions. WTF was that about?

Legitimate reasons of concern.Either estonians or lithuanians released a very detailed report (from their ministry of defence if i recall correctly) showing how chinese manufacturers installed backdoors(these are not mere malware viruses, because that would assume infection post-purchase) on their phones which actively surpress any messaging/information exchange about TW,HK, or touchy subjects that the Chinese governments wants to shut down.

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Did you miss the draconian international copyright regime that it would have put into place etc?

I agree, it shouldn't have been in there. But that is only tangential to the reason why Trump pulled the US out of it. He despised China so much that he made sure to strengthen his personal businesses with them while simultaneously weaken the US trade partnership with their rivals.

> He despised China so much that he made sure to strengthen his personal businesses with them while simultaneously weaken the US trade partnership with their rivals.

Would you mind expanding on this? I could only find articles describing a bank account opened in China, that indicate only a little less than $500k business per year. What do you know?

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Lithuania did sentence some Nazis in 1935 to deter Germany in Klaipėda/Memel. Then managed to hold onto it till spring of 1939. Then refused Hitler offer to join attacking Poland. In 1941-1944 people tried to stay away from Nazis and keep a fighting chance against Soviets once they’ll be back. For example Lithuanian SS division was never formed as in other occupied territories. While Germans did push for it, locals a…

> Then refused Hitler offer to join attacking Poland. Which is more than what the ostensibly anti-fascist USSR did.

USSR being lord savior from the Nazis is the best marketing campaign ever. And that sells like hot bagels :(

Joint parades in Poland, training German armies in secrecy, Gulag tours to learn about concentration camps, selling strategic resources right up to the day when Nazis do u-turn… meh.

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