Here’s a cheap and easier trick: find two easy remote jobs each paying $125k. There’s your $250k a year. You don’t need any particularly distinguished resume. With the right job responsibilities, this is doable for a software engineer. If you can offset the two jobs a bit by time zone it’s even better. But you better hurry, once people catch on that this is possible the supply of developers can quickly increase overn…
I recently fired an engineer who was working 3 full time jobs all paying $130k+. He ended up getting busted by all 3 companies at once, and all 3 fired him. Hopefully he can find a new job that doesn’t check references. If you care about your reputation, or if you have the slightest moral compass, don’t do this.
Ask HN: Strategies to land fully remote $250k+ job
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Re: Ask HN: Strategies to land fully remote $250k+ job
#52Leverage. If your work improves the productivity of 100+ other people, you're surely worth the price. If your work saves $500k+ in annual costs, you're surely worth the price. If hiring you cripples key competitors, you're surely worth the price. If you can enable new revenues streams through knowledge that only you have, you're surely worth the price. If hiring you does not increase productivity, reduce costs, fend…
> EDIT: And if you're outside of the US, set up a local LLC so that US-based companies can treat you like an independent contracting business. By local, do you mean a US-based company (eg delaware), or local to where you are?
Re: Ask HN: Strategies to land fully remote $250k+ job
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
I recently fired an engineer who was working 3 full time jobs all paying $130k+. He ended up getting busted by all 3 companies at once, and all 3 fired him. Hopefully he can find a new job that doesn’t check references. If you care about your reputation, or if you have the slightest moral compass, don’t do this.
How did you find him out? Just curious since if someone was that determined they would probably go to extra lengths (i.e. different physical computers per job, etc) to conceal it.
I doubt anyone will reveal the how because it is becoming a cat and mouse game in my organization.
Re: Ask HN: Strategies to land fully remote $250k+ job
#54Leverage. If your work improves the productivity of 100+ other people, you're surely worth the price. If your work saves $500k+ in annual costs, you're surely worth the price. If hiring you cripples key competitors, you're surely worth the price. If you can enable new revenues streams through knowledge that only you have, you're surely worth the price. If hiring you does not increase productivity, reduce costs, fend…
> EDIT: And if you're outside of the US, set up a local LLC so that US-based companies can treat you like an independent contracting business. By local, do you mean a US-based company (eg delaware), or local to where you are?
Re: Ask HN: Strategies to land fully remote $250k+ job
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
I recently fired an engineer who was working 3 full time jobs all paying $130k+. He ended up getting busted by all 3 companies at once, and all 3 fired him. Hopefully he can find a new job that doesn’t check references. If you care about your reputation, or if you have the slightest moral compass, don’t do this.
How did you find him out? Just curious since if someone was that determined they would probably go to extra lengths (i.e. different physical computers per job, etc) to conceal it.
2. His output was horrible. He was an obviously a good senior level developer. But it would take him a week to do something a -junior- engineer couple do in 2 days.
3. Lots of strange and unexpected absences.
4. On a number of occasions I asked how he solved a problem at a prior company, and he spoke about the company in present tense rather than past tense. (A slip up on his part)
There were people a few other signs that were more subtle than the ones above... but ultimately I became suspicious about how such a good engineer's output was so bad, and had a theory he had multiple jobs. So I simply emailed his prior employer to make sure they were aware that he had resigned to work for our company. The CEO of his prior company (where he had been for 5+ years) was shocked to find out he worked for us.
The 3rd company he found through YC Work at a Startup, and through that uncovered he had been applying for a 3rd job and actually accepted an offer from one of them and had begun work.
There are whole blogs dedicated to how to pull this scam off (google it). But morals aside, I wouldn't recommend it simply because the stress of juggling remote meetings, standups, sprints between 3 companies is not easy.
Re: Ask HN: Strategies to land fully remote $250k+ job
#56Leverage. If your work improves the productivity of 100+ other people, you're surely worth the price. If your work saves $500k+ in annual costs, you're surely worth the price. If hiring you cripples key competitors, you're surely worth the price. If you can enable new revenues streams through knowledge that only you have, you're surely worth the price. If hiring you does not increase productivity, reduce costs, fend…
> EDIT: And if you're outside of the US, set up a local LLC so that US-based companies can treat you like an independent contracting business. By local, do you mean a US-based company (eg delaware), or local to where you are?
Re: Ask HN: Strategies to land fully remote $250k+ job
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This. Freelancing is a good option. 250k a year is 20k a month, for 12 months a year. 20k a month is 1k a day, for 20 work days a month. How to make 1k a day? Write 2 technical articles. Btw. as a freelancer you could end up paying less taxes, because more things are deductible. This could mean, you can end up with the same money after taxes without making 250k a year.
> Write 2 technical articles. How do you monetize technical articles at the rate of $1k / article ? Most firms wont pay that much.
Re: Ask HN: Strategies to land fully remote $250k+ job
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This. Freelancing is a good option. 250k a year is 20k a month, for 12 months a year. 20k a month is 1k a day, for 20 work days a month. How to make 1k a day? Write 2 technical articles. Btw. as a freelancer you could end up paying less taxes, because more things are deductible. This could mean, you can end up with the same money after taxes without making 250k a year.
> Write 2 technical articles. How do you monetize technical articles at the rate of $1k / article ? Most firms wont pay that much.
Here's an example https://burke.services/segment.html taken from https://burke.services/
Re: Ask HN: Strategies to land fully remote $250k+ job
#59Here’s a cheap and easier trick: find two easy remote jobs each paying $125k. There’s your $250k a year. You don’t need any particularly distinguished resume. With the right job responsibilities, this is doable for a software engineer. If you can offset the two jobs a bit by time zone it’s even better. But you better hurry, once people catch on that this is possible the supply of developers can quickly increase overn…
I recently fired an engineer who was working 3 full time jobs all paying $130k+. He ended up getting busted by all 3 companies at once, and all 3 fired him. Hopefully he can find a new job that doesn’t check references. If you care about your reputation, or if you have the slightest moral compass, don’t do this.
My father worked two full-time jobs to raise my siblings and his reputation and moral compass is just fine. Many middle class families do it for survival.
There is no shame in working hard.
Re: Ask HN: Strategies to land fully remote $250k+ job
#60An alternative scalable way is to switch from a full time job to becoming a freelancer/consultant and set your own rates. In order to be able to land high paying projects as a consultant, you would need to showcase your skills somehow (open source, portfolio, etc...). This can happen later on though and as a start the easiest way would be to ask for referrals and make it known to your network that you're looking for…
This. Freelancing is a good option. 250k a year is 20k a month, for 12 months a year. 20k a month is 1k a day, for 20 work days a month. How to make 1k a day? Write 2 technical articles. Btw. as a freelancer you could end up paying less taxes, because more things are deductible. This could mean, you can end up with the same money after taxes without making 250k a year.
But you're also paying a lot more in base taxes and lose out on a bunch of bottom line income. I've been a freelance worker for ~20 years and recently switched to a full time position to mix it up.
Your employer pays half of your social security taxes but as a contractor worker you need to pay both ends, that translates to about an extra 7% in taxes. On $235,000 income (let's say you wrote off a total of $15,000 in the year) that's an extra $16,450 in taxes.
Your employer usually matches 3-4% of your salary into a 401k which is yours without any vesting period. On a 250k salary that would be $7,500 at 3%.
Your employer usually pays your health insurance. The absolute bottom of the barrel worst insurance you can get will cost you around $450 / month if you're a contract worker or $5,400 a year. There were even years (2016-2017 I think) where if you didn't purchase your own insurance you ended up paying thousands of dollars in fines.
Your employer may contribute to a number of nice to haves like tax free stipends for internet / phone bills as a remote worker. Let's call that $1,500 a year for everything combined (some of which is direct money in your pocket and some are services you might have access to).
So in the end being self employed results in paying an extra $16,450 in taxes and you net lose $14,400. That's a total of about 30k less. You also have the extra burden of filing quarterly taxes or you pay fines. You'll likely end up having to pay for an accountant too which will be another $500+ / year (not included in the above totals).
Yes, as a freelancer you can deduct a portion of your home office as business rent, computer supplies and other things you need to do your job but for a remote worker there's really not as many deductions as you may think.
I'm not saying doing contract work or being self employed is bad but I think it's important to be aware of these extra costs and things to think about.
There are some tax perks of being self employed too, like being able to fund a SEP account. For most self employed folks you can put 20% of your income or up to 58k in 2021 into this account. It's somewhat comparable to a 401k in the sense that it's a tax deferred account, AKA any amount you put into there will be taken off your income taxes today and you will pay taxes when you start withdrawing the money at about 60 years old based on whatever your income is then.
So in our example above if you had 250k income, wrote off 15k and then maxed out your 20% into a SEP for another 47k you'd really pay income tax on 188k. Keep in mind as a salary worker you'd have 19.5k into a 401k so it's mainly a benefit of about 27.5k of extra income that you're tax deferring.
Note: I'm not an accountant and I might be calculating things incorrectly but it's in the ballpark of a few percent.