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Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality. I delayed for too long reading this thrilling book. It was like getting a brain massage. So many wonderful lessons in rational thinking packed into a truly enjoyable and memorable story. In response to some questions: It's not a kids book. It's a fan-fiction inspired by the original books, but written with adults in mind. You can read it for free at http://www.hpmor.com/ .

Isn't this a series of novels targeted at 12 year olds?

No. The first book is targeted at that age maybe, but I wouldn't read book three to a twelve year old, and five or six get really nasty.

Stephen King put it this way in his review: Harry Potter books are meant to grow up with the child, while many other childrens' books series target a specific age range.

Today you can buy and read all Harry Potter books at once, but it's actually best to follow the release times and keep a year or so between books, if the child is younger.

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Limitless: The Autobiography by Tim Peake. It's one of those books I wish existed when I was a teenager. He is someone who is so willing to push himself to excel at whatever takes his interest, and demonstrates that you don't need to be academic to be the best.

Liked it too! I recommend An Astronaut's Guide to Life on Earth by Chris Hadfield if you haven't read it already.

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Consciousness Explained by Daniel Dennett. Does just what the title says. It's like finally seeing the image in the Great Stereogram of life. I read it when it came out and have since always regarded my life as neatly divisible by before and after seeing it come into focus.

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At some point Jordan Peterson lost his way. Not sure if was due to his substance abuse issues or what, but he’s no longer relevant.

The fact he's being actively discussed in a thread about books that changed one's life, and your only criticism of the man is an ad hominem, would suggest that he's still very relevant.

I don't care about Peterson. I don't have time to study every intellectual's work. The signals I continually get about Peterson are that he's a hypocritical conservative sexist. Hypocritical in the sense that he presumes to have the answers for life, while landing in a coma due to drug abuse.

Ad hominems are relevant when the person's work involves telling people how to be.

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“ I used to feel very bad about my ethnic identity, and felt ashamed about it” I wish I spoke Bengali just to read Tagore in the original. First poet, at the age of 33, that I have ever appreciated. Brilliant. Of course, an atheist would have trouble appreciating him

What? Not at all. I am a total athiest, and I really like Tagore's poems. See, Tagore not only wrote poetries and songs, he was a great essayist, as well. Many of his essays would be highly appreciated by athiests and progressives (I mean the real progressives, not current US-style ones). Same goes for many of his novels and plays. His romantic poems and love songs are top-notch. I know because I have been immersed i…

I dont know much about Tagore, but I do know he was a progressive, champion of Indian independence, author of two national anthems (Bangladesh and India), friend of Ghandi and correspondent of Borges.

That sounds like I “know” a lot, but those are useless facts. All I really know of Tagore is the Gitanjali because its his only work I have read.

With my limited knowledge at hand, I cannot fathom how an atheist can appreciate the full depth of Tagore’s poetry. Im sure Bertrand Russel appreciated the Gitanjali as a great work of art when it was published but how could he have truly appreciated Tagore’s description of total surrender to God as a bride (representing Tagore, a heterosexual man) succumbing to her groom? An imagery we see in the Song of Songs, btw.

Perhaps instead of saying “how can an atheist appreciate Tagore”, I should written: “how can an atheist appreciate Tagore’s Gitanjali?” (Which I suspect Tagore himself would consider his greatest work?)

I feel the same way with religious art. Millions of tourists in Italy see Caravaggio’s “the denial of Peter”. Its easy for anyone who has grown out of youthful immaturity to appreciate the chiaroscuro, but how can a non-believer be moved in the way a believer is? The painting is more than the betrayal of a friend that anyone can understand - a believer (as a basic tenant of Christianity) holds that personal sin is recreating the betrayal of Peter. That is, a believer sees himself in Peter denying Jesus.

Not all “religious” art, mind you. Michaelangeo’s Il Davide is a good looking naked chap holding a slingshot.

EDIT: As a Catholic, I understand the Hindu Tagore, or muslim Sufis far better than atheists. Or, rather, we understand each other; we understand the difficulties of a faith journey.

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After being forced into evangelical Christianity at a young age, no 2 books were more eye-opening and life-changing for me than:

Letter To A Christian Nation - Sam Harris The God Delusion - Richard Dawkins

The moment you realize you've been lied to your whole life is horrific and liberating ... it's hard to describe. Took many years to "let go" but i don't think it would have been possible without these 2 books for me.

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Do you also have problems with other people, who don't "get it" ?

Yes, all the time.

If I ever got to be dictator, I'd make this mandatory reading just so everyone realizes how stupid it is to have a dictator. Then they'll politely ask me to "leave my seat", to which I will happily agree. And on fridays, the new public leadership council will declare, hot dogs will be free for everyone.

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What? Not at all. I am a total athiest, and I really like Tagore's poems. See, Tagore not only wrote poetries and songs, he was a great essayist, as well. Many of his essays would be highly appreciated by athiests and progressives (I mean the real progressives, not current US-style ones). Same goes for many of his novels and plays. His romantic poems and love songs are top-notch. I know because I have been immersed i…

I dont know much about Tagore, but I do know he was a progressive, champion of Indian independence, author of two national anthems (Bangladesh and India), friend of Ghandi and correspondent of Borges. That sounds like I “know” a lot, but those are useless facts. All I really know of Tagore is the Gitanjali because its his only work I have read. With my limited knowledge at hand, I cannot fathom how an atheist can app…

Yes, Gitanjali can be appreciated better by theists. Although the art is of high class, and can be appreciated by athiests, too.

As I said, Tagore wrote a lot of novels, plays, songs, and essays. Tagore's body of creation is formidably vast. I would put the number of people awarded PhD each year for their work on Tagore and/or his work at 10-20.

> Which I suspect Tagore himself would consider his greatest work?

Haha, not really. We have an inside joke that more or less says that he was awarded the Nobel Prize for one of his weaker works.

And I concur. There are much better works by Tagore than Gitanjali. I have one bilingual Gitanjali sitting right on my shelf across the room where I am.

I grew up reciting poems of Tagore since I was literally 3 and a half. I still do it, but I'm special occasions.

As a literature lover, I also appreciate other forms of religious art.

I like reading poems called Vaishnava Padavalis. They are divine songs dedicated to Krishna or Chaitanya [0] with 2-3 meaning per each poem. These are among the best works of art I have ever seen.

Same goes for Charyas, poems written to propagate a special form of Buddhism, written in proto-Bengali, about 1000 years ago.

I also enjoy kirtanas.

These are all religious, and they don't stop me from enjoying them.

Many athiests enjoy religious art. But they have to be art. When it stops being art, and becomes too much about faith or devotion, I stop enjoying it.

> friend of Gandhi

They also disagreed a lot. If you read Gandhi's works, you would see that he is the king of luddites. Rabindranath was more forward-thinking.

Tagore wanted industry, education, uplifting of the masses, and admired science. He opposed Gandhi on the issue of boycotting British industries among others.

I have never really read Tagore in translation. I would not know what to suggest you. But I strongly suggest that you read other works of him.

> Hindu Tagore

Not really. He was a Brahmo [1]. They were the Protestants to Hinduism (this is oversimplified, ofc). They did not believe in statue-worshipping, caste, superstitions, etc. Brahmos were monotheistic and puritan among other things.

My study of Tagore is limited. But it is still non-trivial. I have visited his house (very well-preserved university and museum) multiple times and also Visva Bharati.

I am happy to answer if you have any other questions.

[0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaitanya_Mahaprabhu

[1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmo_Samaj

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I like to read what people tell me, obliquely or not, to not read. Here are some of the deeply uncomfortable, yet edifying reads:

Technological Slavery: The Collected Writings of Theodore J. Kaczynski, a.k.a. "The Unabomber" -- A Harvard-educated mathematician terrorist presents a lucid neo-Luddite manifesto. It doesn't take a cool-headed logician to appreciate this work. Draws heavily from the works of Jacques Ellul, but presents Ellul's ideas in a quintessentially American manner, without the obfuscation required of French philosophy. Yes, he's a convicted murderer, yes, he was a subject of MKULTRA, but even so, the perspective of a Harvard-educated psychedelic terrorist should alone be worthy of a lookover (he doesn't receive any proceeds from sales). If you prefer French philosophy or a pacifistic author, replace this with The Technological Society and Propaganda: the Formation of Men's Attitudes, both by Jacques Ellul, tackling the same subjects (mostly).

Management of Savagery: The Most Critical Stage Through Which the Islamic Nation Will Pass by Abu Bakr Naji -- This is the playbook that was used for establishing the Islamic State. Its philosophy isn't unique to Wahhabist Islam, however. It's like the anti-Embrace-Extend-Extinguish philosophy. It's disruptive innovation for religion. In short, it has three stages: first, destroy the social contract and return to a Hobbesian state of nature. Second, reestablish the social contract with your team in control. Third, use this island of order to expand outwards until your goal is reached (in this case an Islamic Caliphate).

Suicide Note by Mitchell Heismann -- Mitchell Heisman shot himself on September 18, 2010 in Harvard Yard as ”Experimental Elimination of Self-Preservation,” according to this work that he published posthumously. Possibly, along with Kaczysnki, the best illustrator of G.K. Chesterton's assertion that "Imagination does not breed insanity. Exactly what does breed insanity is reason. Poets do not go mad; but chess players do. [...] The madman is not the man who has lost his reason. The madman is the man who has lost everything except his reason." This is his, nominally rational, defense of suicide against what Heismann terms viviocentrism. It is an experience, if nothing else.

Two picks that dovetail together exceptionally well and equally magisterial in their respective wheel-houses:

First, the Master and His Emissary by Iain McGilchrist -- Why is the brain divided? What if modern consciousness as we know it only emerged during the Axial Age? The differing world views of the right and left brain (the "Master" and "Emissary" in the title, respectively) have, according to the author, shaped Western culture since the time of the ancient Greek philosopher Plato, and the growing conflict between these views has implications for the way the modern world is changing. The first half is pure neuroscience, the latter half teased-out implications of the former. It is a brilliant work.

Second, Debt: the First 5000 Years by the late David Graeber -- What is the historical relationship of debt with social institutions such as barter, marriage, friendship, slavery, law, religion, war and government? Why do we keep debts fuzzy with friends, but settle them immediately with strangers? What exactly is money?

I imagine that the processes noticed by both McGilchrist and Graeber are interrelated in profound ways (i.e. the dual advent of physical currencies and complex civilizations incentivized profound shifts in cognition, arguably in favor of disembodied abstraction and decontextualization, creating in its wake what is termed "mental illness").

And why not? A final choice: The Kingdom of God Is Within You by Leo Tolstoy -- "The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him." When Jesus says to turn the other cheek, Tolstoy asserts that he meant to abolish violence, period. A favorite quote: "The attitude of the ruling classes to the laborers is that of a man who has felled his adversary to the earth and holds him down, not so much because he wants to hold him down, as because he knows that if he let him go, even for a second, he would himself be stabbed, for his adversary is infuriated and has a knife in his hand. And therefore, whether their conscience is tender or the reverse, our rich men cannot enjoy the wealth they have filched from the poor as the ancients did who believed in their right to it. Their whole life and all their enjoyments are embittered either by the stings of conscience or by terror."

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