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Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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A Macaque, maybe 15 kg in weight, has the aggression claws and muscle to take on any non-beefy human and win, not doubt about that.

Male macaques also have very large canines, and massive jaw muscles to use them. A bite that severs a major blood vessel could end very badly. They also move a lot more...three-dimensionally than you might imagine, making it hard to predict where they're going.

I've been looking through monkey bites, and they're a lot more tame on human skin than they are on other monkeys.

Macaques have large teeth and strong jaw muscles (as do dogs); but unlike dogs (or say even piranhas), it doesn't look like monkeys rip and tear flesh like canids. Their mouths are a lot like human mouths: incisors in the front, two canines on either side, and a bunch of (pre)molars, indicative of omnivores. The two canines will definitely pierce the skin. The incisors, most likely as well; but the molars are absolutely useless here.

Whereas dogs (and more specifically sharks) have "saw-like" teeth, that combined with strong neck muscles (and a propensity to grab hold, and shake vigorously, as if they're literally sawing away flesh), make them a lot more lethal to most land mammals.

If we include monkey eating habits, I don't see any large mammals on the list (all the mammals they may eat are smaller than them); compare that to the canid family, that will hunt down mammals many times larger than them. I just don't see how the monkey is built to be able to kill a human being.

Granted, it's going to hurt a lot to get bitten by a monkey. But I just don't see how a 40lb mammal can do that much damage. If you can somehow restrain it by the neck, it's basically over for any mammal of that size without claws (or another means of escape) -- which monkeys don't seem to have.

Now, if we're talking a chimpanzee? I'm going to do everything in my power to get out of that situation. But a monkey? A large dog is more of a threat.

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I would expect most animals that still exist to at the very least not be a major threat to humans - because if they are, they tend to cease to exist.

These monkeys are not fatally dangerous if that's what GP is saying. But they cause heavy and serious nuisance. Where I live, these monkeys invade gradens, agricultural fields, house rooftops at least 4-5 times a month. The locals drop anything they do, and chase away these monkeys. When chased by an adult male human, these monkeys don't fight back and are easily frightened. They don't mess with adult males or groups…

If slingshots are used, would a pellet gun be effective? They are inexpensive and can be fairly powerful. (Some pellet guns propel metal projectiles at speeds around 1,000 fps, which can be fatal to a human if incredibly well placed.)

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Male macaques also have very large canines, and massive jaw muscles to use them. A bite that severs a major blood vessel could end very badly. They also move a lot more...three-dimensionally than you might imagine, making it hard to predict where they're going.

I've been looking through monkey bites, and they're a lot more tame on human skin than they are on other monkeys. Macaques have large teeth and strong jaw muscles (as do dogs); but unlike dogs (or say even piranhas), it doesn't look like monkeys rip and tear flesh like canids. Their mouths are a lot like human mouths: incisors in the front, two canines on either side, and a bunch of (pre)molars, indicative of omnivor…

That's all well and good until 5 of them jump on you and sink 2 inch canine teeth in you...

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> But a monkey? Oh boy never test this out. They will attack violently and will not spare you. If they have enough numbers or have the pack leader(usually the one with the biggest balls) close by then they will retaliate. I'm from south India and I have seen a lot of grown up men get roughed up by monkeys

"roughed up" sounds like getting a beating. but I'd assume they rip your face off and stuff. care to elaborate?

Yes they will scratch/bite you a lot. But they'll leave you after a while. They're not extremely violent like predators eating us. They only retaliate

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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These monkeys are not fatally dangerous if that's what GP is saying. But they cause heavy and serious nuisance. Where I live, these monkeys invade gradens, agricultural fields, house rooftops at least 4-5 times a month. The locals drop anything they do, and chase away these monkeys. When chased by an adult male human, these monkeys don't fight back and are easily frightened. They don't mess with adult males or groups…

> An adult male cannot physically take on a monkey. Really? I would expect that the inevitable injuries aren't worth it, but I'd expect this to be the case on both sides, with the monkey ending up significantly worse off if the human were to actually consider it a fight-to-kill-or-be-killed, not a "make the nuisance go away". What I don't understand though: If the monkeys are such a nuisance, why are they tolerated?…

Religious taboo is held by some of the Indians. Not all or even most of them.

A religious granny wouldn't want to kill a monkey, but if her grandson is threatened? Hell yes.

And, yes, they are protected by wildlife conservation laws.

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These monkeys are not fatally dangerous if that's what GP is saying. But they cause heavy and serious nuisance. Where I live, these monkeys invade gradens, agricultural fields, house rooftops at least 4-5 times a month. The locals drop anything they do, and chase away these monkeys. When chased by an adult male human, these monkeys don't fight back and are easily frightened. They don't mess with adult males or groups…

If slingshots are used, would a pellet gun be effective? They are inexpensive and can be fairly powerful. (Some pellet guns propel metal projectiles at speeds around 1,000 fps, which can be fatal to a human if incredibly well placed.)

Pellet guns would be illegal.

These monkeys are protected by wildlife conservation act.

Some weeks back, some guy poisoned a few pigeons that ate his crops that were being dried in the sun.

Last I heard that the police lodged a criminal case against him.

It was on the newspapers.

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I've been looking through monkey bites, and they're a lot more tame on human skin than they are on other monkeys. Macaques have large teeth and strong jaw muscles (as do dogs); but unlike dogs (or say even piranhas), it doesn't look like monkeys rip and tear flesh like canids. Their mouths are a lot like human mouths: incisors in the front, two canines on either side, and a bunch of (pre)molars, indicative of omnivor…

That's all well and good until 5 of them jump on you and sink 2 inch canine teeth in you...

I feel after the first few bites, you'd be running on adrenaline.

At that point, I believe it's apt to start elbow-dropping, curb-stomping, and punting monkeys.

If for some unknown reason, 5 monkeys ambushed me on a regular walk, I'm confident I could throw enough of a fuss that'd dissuade them from trying to steal my lunch.

Now 10 monkeys? I don't know. That's a lot of monkeys.

I don't think I'm ever going to encounter 10 monkeys, all set on turning me into tartare.

However, if I were to have my jimmies rustled by 10 monkeys at the same time, I would put it at 2:1 odds that I survive without life-threatening injuries.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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I've seen a version of this behaviour in Lopburi, Thailand and in some places around Bali. Make no mistake, these primates can get ferocious, they carry several diseases and can cause serious bodily harm to large sized human adults. Don't go near them, don't encourage them and for $DEITY's sake don't feed them. They are wild and potentially dangerous animals.

The incident I witnessed was described to me by a local as a war between two rival monkey gangs battling for food scraps. Things were getting dangerous, the monkeys would snarl at people just walking along the street, and sometimes lunge and attack people carrying any sort of food. I've seen people get scratched and bitten.

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